jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Does passenger behaviour on platforms vary between countries I wonder?

The TER Nuits-sous-Ravières - Paris Bercy is peculiar

At all interim stations the platform entrances are at the back of the train. But at Bercy the exit is at the front

I walk to the front at Nuits so I’m near the exit at Paris, but pretty much no others do, despite SNCF Connect indicating it’s a long train

I’m pretty sure in UK or Germany more would do as I do

corentin,
@corentin@masto.bike avatar

@jon Agree with you, last time I was on an ICE to Stuttgart there were some people walking down the aisle towards the front of the train and I remember thinking that nobody in France would do that. Which is weird because every Parisian knows exactly where to stand on the metro in order to be right in front of the exit.

Though to be fair nobody would want to be at Stuttgart Hbf any longer than they absolutely need to!

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@corentin Why don't commuters from Sens do the same then?

partim,
@partim@social.tchncs.de avatar

@jon I’m always baffled when travelling with people and I say “let’s go further down the platform” most people make two steps and then stop again and really need to be dragged onwards.

AuntieSyzygy,
@AuntieSyzygy@mastodon.scot avatar

@jon IDK about national behaviours, but I always aim for the part of the train I think will be least crowded - which I think tends to vary with type of platform. If terminus, back of train tends to be nearest (?) but if through-train, front tends to stop at part of platform with entrance/exit?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@AuntieSyzygy Sure - I generally do that too. But here bizarrely the emptiest part is also the part that will be nearest the exits in Paris - which is logically the opposite of what it should be!

AuntieSyzygy,
@AuntieSyzygy@mastodon.scot avatar

@jon oh - I don't think I even know when I get on a train which part will be nearest the platform-exit when I get off. Do people really do that?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@AuntieSyzygy Well if you took the same train every day 5 days a week you would surely?

c_chep,
@c_chep@piaille.fr avatar

@jon even along a Transilien/RER like H or B, the behaviour will differ by station.
Gare du Nord voies 30 to 44, this is simply insane

(Best description of stepping out of line H or B at GdN is "a ruck", even off-peak. Blows my mind why people behave like that)

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@c_chep and imagine you do that every day and still don’t learn…

c_chep,
@c_chep@piaille.fr avatar

@jon yeah :/

(lost track of knees I've had to "accidentally" whack with my luggage for purely, er, paedagogic reasons.

Remote cave dweller these days, fortunately, so this does not need to happen daily. My "commute" looks like inner Zone 5 on line H to between Piccadilly and Elisabeth lines in Zone 1... Which provides for some contrast I'd say haha)

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@c_chep yeah I carry a folding bike. It has sharp corners 🙂

KaiLsrv,

@jon i often see the Italian EC with its clearly marked entry and exit doors in Switzerland and Germany. And as you can see in the picture, people don't seem to understand the concept of red and green outside of cars on streets... Or there are more colorblind people than we might think

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@KaiLsrv that was a COVID system. It never worked. Because it also didn’t make sense!

KaiLsrv,

@jon ah OK, during my last trip to Italy, it worked really well (maybe a regional thing or an outlier). How is your experience with escalators at train stations? My experience traveling around Europe (F, ES, UK, S, FIN, Benelux) is that in DE/CH people on an escalator usually a) fail to stand on the right side and leave the left open for people who are in a hurry (even with clear markings) or b) place their trolley next to them instead of in front/back. Way fewer people in other countries.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@KaiLsrv Generally yes re. escalators - although I find Brussels bad in this respect too. I think it's also something to do with the number of commuters in a place as well - for example Frankfurt is more orderly than Berlin in my experience.

stuffysour,
@stuffysour@mastodon.social avatar

@jon Definitely differences in front of the doors at boarding - standing away from the doors to let people out versus everyone for themselves, simultaneous in-and-out chaos - so I would think so! To do with perceived efficiency and urgency to get to a destination, whether it’s “embarrassing” to walk along the platform, how busy it is (how many people you’d need to walk around and how they’d react)…

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@stuffysour absolutely. That too. A good few French passengers have got a sharp edge of my folding bike against their knee as a result 🙂

JensJot,
@JensJot@mas.to avatar

@jon I think for this specific question — where do I want/need to get off the train — you need a special way of efficiency-focused thinking. A lot of people just don’t care (enough) to save 30 seconds or a minute at some later time.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@JensJot well the difference here is also will you get a seat. I’d wager at the back it’s standing only.

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