RL_Dane,
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Imagine a world where...

  • Web apps responded just about instantly
  • Every action was clearly labeled with no "mystery meat" buttons
  • After discovering basic features visually, you can learn to fly through options quickly with a few intuitive keyboard shortcuts

Dream on, because web apps are awful.

Nulo,
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@RL_Dane i understand the sentiment and agree, but as an indie developer.. developing native apps for everything is

  • hard
  • requires knowledge of many different platforms
  • takes more time
    which, if I were to try to do native apps for everything or even the things I use (Android and Linux) i would likely end up with no app at all, because I wouldn't get to making something that works.
RL_Dane,
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@Nulo

Oh, I get that. That's why we need usable cross-platform GUI libraries.
What do you think of WxWindows? Or Qt?

Nulo,
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@RL_Dane WxWindows is what Audacity uses? well, I haven't touched it much but considering I don't know of any other programs that use it I wouldn't think it's very good...

Qt is interesting and definitely better than nothing but the only good (as in: nice ui/ux and good performance) Qt program that i know is telegram-desktop. even then it's a hell to package (source: I'm the Alpine maintainer) and a bit of a memory hog (to the point that an Electron or WebKit based app isn't worse.) tdesktop has multiple paid developers so they can pay the cost of having practically their own ui framework on top of Qt.

qBitTorrent and a few others exist. even then, i don't think they're great at UI, and the ones that do have quite a bit of blood and tears poured into them while other WebApps have singular devs producing useful stuff.

I'm not saying it's impossible to develop a cross platform native app, but it's definitely much more effort than making a decent WebApp.

RL_Dane,
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@Nulo

That's a bummer. Is Flutter any better? I don't know anything about it, but someone else mentioned it on this thread.

It's just... Packaging up a copy of chrome for each app is so evil on so many levels 🤦🏻‍♂️

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    @sirber

    Bring back clippy!

    benjaminhollon,
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    @RL_Dane @sirber
    Now powered by ChatGPT™

    RL_Dane,
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    @benjaminhollon @sirber

    KILL IT WITH FIRE

    benjaminhollon,
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    @RL_Dane @sirber
    Well, OpenAI does have a very close relationship with Micro$oft, I only thought it was the natural evolution.

    RL_Dane,
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    @benjaminhollon @sirber

    s/evolution/devolution/g

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    @sirber @RL_Dane
    Bing is basically clippy.

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    @sirber @benjaminhollon

    How many grams of carbon did you release into the atmosphere to have that question answered? 😆

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    @sirber @RL_Dane
    That's what they want you to think.

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    @sirber @benjaminhollon

    MAAAAAAN that brings back memories!!

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    @sirber @RL_Dane
    Soooooo I actually just finished going down a rabbit hole of reading up on the history of Clippy and Microsoft Bob.

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    @sirber @RL_Dane
    Soooo much.

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    @sirber @RL_Dane
    Why would I buy twitter blue?

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    @sirber @RL_Dane
    With Mastodon I can go up to 89k chars.

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    @sirber @RL_Dane
    That's what you think. There's a workaround. ;)

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    RL_Dane,
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    benjaminhollon,
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    @RL_Dane @sirber
    Well the most disturbing tidbit is that Microsoft released all of the virtual assistants in Office despite repeatedly being told by women in focus groups that they felt the characters (who were predominantly male) were leering at them.

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    @RL_Dane @sirber
    A more hilarious thing to read about was a redesign of clippy to make him more cheeky, including that if users were frustrated with Clippy, Clippy would help them write a scathing letter to Microsoft to complain.

    Popularity with users was far higher, but for some reason Microsoft did not elect to adopt this redesign.

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    @RL_Dane @sirber
    Oh and also in an emoji redesign Microsoft is working on (or has possibly finished; the article was a wee bit dated) they're going to make the paperclip emoji a picture of clippy.

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