The terms of service update made you sign away your rights to sue the company if they refused to honour the warranty, that’s what people are upset about
I know, I read it, and those words mean absolutely nothing. You and I will never be affected by it. It’s like a random passerby waving sage at you and telling you they’ve disturbed your aura.
I promise you practically every TOS you’ve ever blindly clicked through said something very similar.
My kid consented. I think. Can she make binding contracts that she doesn’t tell me about because she’s looking for Blues Clues, or am I responsible for every OK she checks when I’m not present?
Why not? The Vatican has believed that kids as young 6 are capable of consenting to sodomy since at least The 11th Century, and for the most part, the courts and cops have tacitly agreed with them. If anything, Roku is finally catching up with the rest of humanity
Outrage over ticking a checkbox? Was anything in the updated TOS worth being pissed about or are people just that fucking lazy? The article not having the exact wording of the changes but talking about the dispute resolution arbitration–that’s in every TOS for pretty much everything ever isn’t mandatory and doesn’t say you can’t sue–is a bit suspicious.
Dude already had to update the article because he misunderstood one thing already. This reads like the knee jerk reaction of a random person which belongs on a blog, and not a news article that belongs on a news outlet site.
If you can’t see that the issue is that the TOS could include anything the company wants and that disagreeing means the device I already paid for is intentionally bricked then I don’t know what to tell you.
They’ve always been able to do that; it’s often the very first fucking paragraph of a TOS. If you’re just now noticing it I don’t know what to tell you.
I don’t agree with the practice; but at this point it’s not like you can do shit about it unless you’re building your own devices. Not that anything illegal added to a TOS would be upheld in court anyway… I’d love to see someone actually sue on this issue, but nobody upset about it seems to have the money or willingness to do so, considering it’s been a thing for decades.
Besides: that wasn’t the point the article was making, either, which is what I have issue with; The shoddy journalism.
but at this point it’s not like you can do shit about it *except not buy products that do it and tell other people about it so they can do the same just like we’re doing in this thread you defeatist weiner
I have a great business idea - sell a roku-like device for half the price and a .99 cent subscription fee. Then when I’ve captured the market I force them to accept draconian new terms that cost way more or I brick the device. By then it’s too late and I can suck all the money out of it from the people that can’t switch.
And if they don’t like it? Too bad; they signed away their rights to sue.
It’s a foolproof plan! As long as I don’t get shot in the street but justifiably angry customers.
if there was actual choice involved you might have a point but it doesn’t really matter what changes when you don’t have the ability to decline.
but for the record I believe this update removed your right to legal recourse and forces you through binding arbitration, so yes, this one does have something worth being pissed about.
There should be a law that any change of T&C after the purchase of a product gives the customer the option to refuse the terms and get a full refund of that product, no matter how old it is.
I have a smart light switch I can’t use anymore because they updated the app to force you to make an account to use it and I refused since it worked fine for the last 3 years without them needing to sell my data.
If the firmware on the switch hasn’t been updated to not function with old versions of the app why not just snag an old APK and use the old app version?
At least as long as you own the thing, worth a shot
What I’m talking about was when they changed the Android app to behave more like the iOS app. It was a buggy mess when it first launched. It’s much better now, though. I’ve since updated my app to the current version.
I do believe it was. It was a TP Link smart switch and it routinely needed updates or else it wouldn’t work. The app was finicky as hell before and I don’t really care anymore for it since it’s main use was to turn on the bedroom lights automatically. But now I work 2nd shift so the sun is up anyway when I wake up. It works as a normal switch now.
I spend the last couple weeks looking Into modded boxes and anti ad options and I came to the conclusion that a mini pc with wireless keyboard and mouse is the way to go. No special nonsense required. It’s super easy to just find whatever I wanna watch online for free anyways and I don’t need any special program or knowledge.
Now my next issue is between finding a dumb TV or a solid affordable projector. I mostly use the TV for movie nights anyways, I game on my pc and watch most stuff on my pc too.
Yeah I’m leaning that direction but I’m also quite attracted to whatever the newest raspberry pi can do.
Mini PC might be easier but yeah I think either way a sbc will be my choice whether it’s a Ryzen sbc or something else like a raspberry pi I’m honestly not sure.
Can state for a fact it won’t be any amazon or roku device but that’s about all.
The main problem with a mini PC is a lot of streaming services won’t serve you 4k content. Not an issue if you get your content from other sources though.
My in-laws have all Roku tvs. I had to go over and “fix” the TV’s for them cause they didn’t understand what the hell this was. I straight up just gave them my modded Nvidia shields and bought myself some more. Fuck that shit. We need a better open source tv like interface. I’ve used plasma big screen but it’s not ready for normal people with not Linux but fixing experience.
What does a moded Nvidia shield give you? Is it rooted or something else. I’m curious because I have been looking at them as a replace for Chromecast android tv
Maybe modded is the wrong word. They’re rooted with a different launcher and my pihole does it’s best to block telemetry. Getting rid of the Google launcher with ads on it is a major improvement.
You don’t need root to change the launcher? You can simply install launcher manager and the custom launcher (wolf or whatever), and set it through there.
I’m usually rooting all my android devices, but the shield is the first one where I didn’t see a need for it.
So legally speaking, what happens if it was my 8 year old son, who clicks buttons with no regard for human life, that agreed to this BS TOS? How is that legally binding?
I have no idea how US contract law works. Even if you agree to something that says “we can alter the deal at any time”, when a change happens to the deal, don’t both sides have to benefit, rather than “agree to this change so that you can keep the same thing you had before”?
I honestly think a lot of these terms of service agreements are legally unenforceable, but they don’t get contested in court very often.
Like if they say “you consented to the arbitration agreement” I could just argue I never physically signed anything and it was actually my 5 year old who agreed so he could watch TV.
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