But instead of suspension, Garza summoned a police officer to arrest Timothy at school. In a video that Rincon shared with the Observer, Timothy puts his arms up on a wooden shelf and waits to be handcuffed as directed by a police officer.
These are adults who feel threatened by an eleven-year-old child, because he asked some questions. The entire country should be ridiculing them until they’re too embarrassed to leave their homes.
How big of a fucking dick do you have to be to make lies about an 11 year old and fuck up his future?!
His ordeal began five days later. In the late morning of September 8, Timothy was pulled out of music class and ushered into a room where he found Garza, Assistant Principal Michelle Saucedo, a district police officer, and a counselor sent from the district’s central administrative office. He was told another student had just reported that Timothy said he was planning to kill the principal. Rincon said she was called and rushed to the school but was not allowed to be in the room while Timothy was being questioned.
“When the police officer had his body cam off, they were yelling and telling me, ‘We’re gonna go to the full extent. We’re gonna put you in a lockbox,’” Timothy said. “Then, when the body cam was finally on, they were so nice.”
Timothy told me he had explained to the school and district officials that the accusations were not true, that the only conversation he had that morning was with two other boys about wearing his sweater over his uniform.
Just read the whole article. It’s fucking astonishing how big of an ass these people are. Not only is the principal fucking ill but also the superintendent, principal, assistant principal, district counselor, and police officers.
I hope Timothy continues to speak up and reaches his goals to become an oncologist. I hope these fuckers learn from their mistakes and if not, hope they rot. Thanks Texas Observer for writing about this story.
If police turn their bodycams off then that should automatically disqualify their testimony and cause a major fine (which they would need to pay off personally)
More likely little Timmy will have lifelong cptsd and develop addiction issues throughout puberty to cope. After which the cops can bust him again and go “See? We told you so!”.
Don't get me wrong, absolutely fuck these vile pieces of shit
But also let's not give them an excuse to play the victim of an internet mob.
Protest, write to representatives and school boards, campaign to have those involved leave office or be prosecuted, do not send threats.
We have a sociopathic principal, and a police force that allowed themselves to be used as a weapon against a 10 year old. There are multiple people that should not be in the positions they are in. They deserve to be removed from their positions, they deserve to be sued or prosecuted for their role in this travesty. They do not deserve to be forced into hiding for fear for their lives, and neither do their loved ones.
Now, given how there is a young child very much at the victim of this, and the state was essentially fully complicit, in addition to the typical unhinged, there will be A LOT of people absolutely seeing red and typing without thinking.
“When the police officer had his body cam off, they were yelling and telling me, ‘We’re gonna go to the full extent. We’re gonna put you in a lockbox,’” Timothy said. “Then, when the body cam was finally on, they were so nice.”
How are we still letting cops just turn off body cams? It defeats the entire fucking purpose.
The shouldn’t be able to ever turn them off while they are working and if they do. Immediate suspension, second time formal inquiry, 3rd time he’s out in his ass.
I feel like you guys can’t even control your own police
Fwiw the biggest issue with bodycams is that they’re expensive as hell. Milwaukee wanted to get better equipped with them a few years back and nobody wanted to pay. People want to defund police but it throws so much off. Even when they want to defund, Republicans refuse to push legislation to get more Crisis workers who can help and fund mental health care.
Most voters barely want to fund schools, let alone the police and poor/addicted/troubled lol.
The cost isn’t the cam itself, it’s the servers and their software and IT administrators to maintain them, the personnel to audit the videos, and the personnel to respond to records requests by being able to locate archived files and redeact private information of the people the police interact with in the requested videos. Spinning up and maintaining multiple departments that just didn’t exist before a body cam program was implemented is a significant resource draw.
If the auditing personnel aren’t hired in sufficient numbers, or the IT personnel to keep the video archives actually usable, then turning off of bodycams won’t ever be caught.
But what does that have to do with a bodycam being turned off during an incident? We see them clearly disable them or cover them on their own. I’m not saying they need to be turned on 24/7, that’s obviously not feasible.
The ability to turn the cam off while you shit could easily have come with a rule that states that if you turn your cam off while doing cop stuff you’re fired, but it didnt. Privacy in the bathroom is the excuse, not the reason. The reason is that cameras exonerate the innocent and impugn the guilty without regard to status or favor, and cops want to continue to break the law and hurt people who haven’t broken the law. They’re a street gang. There is no cop who enforces the law without fear or favor, there are only criminals and cops that ignore crime committed by people they like.
The ability to turn the cam off while you shit could easily have come with a rule that states that if you turn your cam off while doing cop stuff you’re fired, but it didnt.
Easy. If you turn off your cam, you’re not a cop anymore, you lose your legal powers.
Take a shit while turning off your cam? No problem, you don’t need to be a cop for that.
Shoot someone after “accidentally” turning your cam off? You just killed someone likely while trespassing with no qualified immunity. Enjoy prison.
Too bad. Make it part of what you sign up for when you become a cop. “You wanna be a cop? Well a few people may end up seeing you pee, just so you know that.”
There are people who have to piss into cups in front of people constantly. Surely that’s not an onerous demand to ensure the integrity of all bodycam footage. Who would ever see the raw uncut (lol) footage anyway? A jury maybe? in which case, blur out the dong. Easy.
I don’t know… I’m just not convinced by the “privacy” angle.
Edit: I guess other people’s privacy could be a concern. Though I bet AI is good enough that, if we really wanted to be honest about it (lol), we could figure out a way to filter other people out completely in a way that can be verified etc. etc. But that’ll never happen.
They don’t work for us anymore; they’re not “public servants.” They’re a (militarized) force that serves the interests of capital. They don’t defend people, they defend private property. That’s where the root of the problem lies. These people aren’t becoming cops to make the neighborhood they live in a safer place, most of the time they don’t even live in the neighborhood they serve. No, these people become cops because it lets them hurt people.
They’re just a gang of thugs that happens to serve the interests of those with the most money and power.
I don’t know. I hear the anger and I think there are some bad cops. But I think they are good ones out there. And they are people too. I can’t punish someone’s rights because of some assholes.
I hear what you are saying and there should be a way to handle it. I’m just not convinced that running them full time is the solution. Maybe limiting the turning off and if it’s done too many times in a row there is lockout and automatic reviews.
This makes me want to cry. That poor boy. His life could be ruined by this. The mental anguish could set him down a path to failure when he was on one to success. He’s going to be afraid of school now. He will have gone from loving learning to fearing the educators.
I'm incoherent with anger about this one. Who treats a bright and hardworking fucking 11 year old like that? Over literally nothing but hearsay. No red flags, just some made up shit by Karen.
The taxpayer funded settlement which will come at no cost to the police department better be fucking huge. And when taxes go up to pay for it, folks better damn well remember why.
WTF is wrong with these people? I would come home to my family and apologize to them for our impending homelessness after I quit my job before I would do this to a child. And anyone who wouldn't - yeah, they are fucking bastards.
“Why are kids shooting up schools?” Well when a good student gets punished for asking for counseling due to the loss of a family member, and had the wherewithal to ask for help which he then is ultimately punished with psychological torture it becomes quite obvious.
“no you’re wrong” says nothing else. Wow now that’s what someone who doesn’t know anything sounds like to me. I literally just listened to an interview with a person who was planning a school shooting and he mentioned how he felt isolated and no one would help. He was lonely and needed people to talk to, so this situation exactly. But idk, If I’m wrong just respond with “you’re wrong” and nothing else.
Oh shit, you listened to an interview with someone who didn’t shoot up a school, that you give no further details on, while complaining about a lack of details?
You’re clearly the expert here, those people who killed all those kids must have been “good students who were punished for asking for counselling”.
Because if I was right, surely I would have listed every single school shooting and the known motivations behind them.
Or did you want every single school shooting wrapped up in a neat little bundle with a single cause?
You: Psh whatever, that only one source, also what did u want from me, more than zero sources?
What is it man? Did I not provide enough information, or is asking for information to much? Because I’m the only one that made an argument that didn’t sound like a mindless dipshit.
I’ve dealt with school staff who seem to get off on having power of students. Like they go out of their way to bully some kids or they enjoy enacting harsh punishments.
I also think the police officer turning off his body can to intimidate a child should be fired. We need to pass laws that prevent this.
Our dean of students in high school was an ex-marine. And it sure seemed like he decided that he learned valuable lessons about how to treat other people in boot camp.
The police abused this poor child… and they call him a terrorist. If the parents of this community had any sense they’d pull their children out of the school immediately.
This is just sick at all levels in the chain. Thank god the kid is at least at a different school with his old principle and councilor. I can’t imagine the trauma to this poor kid. 3 days of solitary at 11 years old. That is torture.
I have to mention that I really appreciate how well written this article is. None of it was filler. And it reads like it was written from scratch by the journalist. It’s refreshing to not read another copied/pasted mass produced article with some extra words thrown in to pad it out.
All this punishment on a smart kid who simply wanted to have a school councilor to talk to after he had lost his father to cancer.
This shitty principal should be fired and also investigated for false reporting. I’d be really interested to hear which student reported this boy for uttering a threat to kill the principal because it sounds more like the principal made this up to toss a kid in solitary confinement for a weekend to shut him up.
The thing that sucks is, no 11 year old should be arrested unless they’re actively threatening physical harm with a weapon, and three days in solitary on top is just beyond the pale. It sucks that we have to have “perfect” victims before the powers that be dare to take notice, and even then it’s not enough.
So many children let down by this system, who knows how many stories we haven’t heard. And not a god damn thing changes.
Not even difficult, he was just interested in using the mental health faculty that was provided the year before to continue to work through his father’s death. She could easily have explained to the kid or his parent that the councilor would not be replaced. Going after the kid with selective enforcement of uniform rules while ignoring others was blatant punishment and the escalation to calling the police is excessive force. If this kid were black there is even a higher than normal chance the cops would have hurt him by treating him like an adult.
Absolutely! Should have been clearer that I meant him being difficult from the perspective of the principal, not from that of myself or anyone else with any empathy and common sense.
Yes. that is exactly what I said. The full source of the threat reported needs to be examined. If the principle is found to be the origin he needs to go to prison.
The fucked up thing is, that they are, but not the way the OC implies. 24h news cycles and heavy exposure to reports glorifying shooters do act as triggers for other potential shooters. The same is true for suicide and serial killers.
Those with mental illness are overrepresented in solitary confinement, despite the vulnerability and threats to the mental health of those incarcerated. Research shows that the effects of solitary confinement on mental health are often fatal, both during and after incarceration. Half of all suicides in prisons and jails occur in solitary confinement. A recent study shows the long-lasting effects; that any amount of time spent in solitary increases the risk of death in the first year after release.
Individuals were overall 24% more likely to die in the first year after release, including from suicide (78% more likely) and homicide (54% more likely). They were also 127% more likely to die of an opioid overdose in the first two weeks after release.
Among many other mental health experts, Dr. Stuart Grassian, a psychiatrist, observed the devastating mental health consequences of the practice. Solitary confinement, he found, caused either (1) the exacerbation or recurrence of preexisting mental health issues, or (2) the onset of an acute mental illness. He is also credited for identifying a specific psychiatric syndrome associated with solitary confinement, termed the SHU Syndrome.
Yeah it’s pretty fucked honestly, a lot of people that have never been to jail or prison don’t really have the perspective how just how horrible it is. Time moves differently in there and your sense of control you have with autonomous movement is gone. 1 week in jail goes by quite a bit slower than 1 week in regular life. Add solitary to it and it’s a straight up nightmare.
The principal is a woman. She should be fired but the real issue is how the police handled it. Instead of arresting a 5th grader they could have told the principal to kick rocks and that they would investigate the threat. Which was literally hearsay and after investigation they'd have found nothing.
Turning off body cam to bully a child....sounds exactly like what a bastard would do.
I feel so bad for that child. His father died less than a year ago and he was kept in solitary confinement for 3 days. I hope he and his mother find a good lawyer that gets true justice for him. And I hope the people of Brownsville stand up for justice and get the principal fired. I hope they pressure the police to change policy on no longer allowing body cams to be turned off. And I hope the arresting officer dies sad, miserable, alone, and soon.
Garza called law enforcement, who detained him and placed him in solitary confinement for three days at the Darrell B. Hester Juvenile Detention Center in Brownsville.
Why the fuck does a juvenile detention center even have solitary confinement… America is so fucked up…
I work in with traumatized teens. There are times where they need to be isolated from their peers, but I agree that solitary is not therapeutic. Research and experience easily demonstrate that.
The reality is, though, that these systems are so underfunded and understaffed that these detrimental tactics are the only viable option.
I’m not defending the practice. I would never work in a system that uses solitary confinement with adolescents, but I have the luxury of choice.
As a guy with childhood trauma, abandonment issues, depression, and many other mental challenges, I appreciate the work you do. I feel like what I went through is small potatoes compared to being arrested and put in the hole for 3 whole days as a kid. I really feel for this little guy and hope that he gets through this ok.
“solitary confinement” doesn’t mean anything more than exactly what it says. Telling your kid to “go to your room” is solitary confinement. It just means they’re secluded from any other inmates, not that he was chained to the bed and shoved into a dark hole in the ground.
None of us know the details of what happened here. If he had stabbed a teacher or something people would have been screaming about how “no one did anything” and that there were “red flags everywhere!” and about how useless law enforcement is.
You may be joking, but it totally is. Not in the legal sense, of course, but in the literal sense. Texas is very much an inherent danger to the safety, well-being and sanity of children.
I think raising kids in super rural districts should be considered a factor yes. Not the sole reason. You are setting up your children for a world of hurt.
I grew up in an extremely rural area, but the people that were around were incredibly kind and accepting, especially to others that were different. Now I'm raising my kid in the biggest city in the world, but with the same values they taught me. So I'd say it's not so much the place, as it is the environment we create there. Which in Texas' case is utter, total, complete dog shit.
I thought the same, but after a bit of searching it looks to me like this wasn’t racially motivated. The town the school is located in is 95% Hispanic, as is the principal. My assumption at this point is the principal is a tyrant who considers any question of authority as an attack that must be squashed. The cops too, but that goes without saying.
Well, I’m going to go ahead and stick to my read of the situation. Systemic racism doesn’t just breed hatred of individual peoples, it breeds thoughts, processes and procedures that become ingrained in people through training (brainwashing). The principal involved the cops, but the cops put a child in solitary confinement for 3 days. A CHILD. This is a punishment we shouldn’t even be using on adults! And a punishment for what? Learning their place?
If you’re naive enough to think that racist and systemic racism is not or cannot be perpetrated by groups of people on their own people, well, I have some history books you should read.
Of course racism and systemic racism are alive and well. And yes, people can be racist against their own people. These factors are pervasive and can’t fully be separated from the situation.
That doesn’t mean that this was racially motivated. You seem to want to point to racism as the motivation for the principal and cops to do this. It’s only motivation in the sense that systemic racism underlies everything and is always there.
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