The Kremlin's propaganda machine will likely use the conflict in Israel to undermine the West's support for Ukraine: ISW

The Institute for the Study of War says Russia’s propaganda machine will likely use the conflict in Israel to erode the West’s support for Ukraine.

“The Kremlin is already and will likely continue to exploit the Hamas attacks in Israel to advance several information operations intended to reduce US and Western support and attention to Ukraine,” wrote the Washington-based think tank on Saturday.

The ISW wrote in its report that after the Hamas attacks on Saturday, the Kremlin amplified information campaigns that accused the West of ignoring Middle East conflicts to support Ukraine. These campaigns also pushed the message that global attention — in particular, resources from the West — would shift from Ukraine to the Middle East.

The institute cited examples like Russian TV host Sergey Mardan stating in his Telegram channel that the West “will take its mind off Ukraine for a while and get busy once again putting out the eternal fire in the Middle East.”

WaltJRimmer,
@WaltJRimmer@lemmy.world avatar

I also noticed that both here on Lemmy and over on Reddit that there’s been a push of pro-Russian talking points and a huge push towards Islamaphobia for the past few days, starting just before the attacks this weekend.

I understand there’s going to be some natural anger over the attack, but the amount of accounts I’ve seen, especially noticeable here on Lemmy because we just don’t have as many users, who are saying things like, “This is just what Muslims are like,” and, “Western countries accept these kinds of people, so expect them to do the same there,” and other racist bullshit talking points. They’ve also been painting the ongoing conflict as unquestionably one-sided in Israel’s favor.

It’s depressing but kind of to be expected that there’s a psyops campaign going on trying to get people outraged at not just Hamas, not just Palestine, but all of Islam right now while simultaneously trying to paint Ukrainian surrender and pro-Russian propaganda. This horrible act of terror was either in part planned by Russia or at the very least is seen as an easy opportunity to try and weaken Western support of repelling their invasion of Ukraine. Just spending a little time in the wrong circles on social media should make that obvious.

OctopusKurwa,

There’s also been a number of suspiciously enthusiastic Cornell West voters in the comments of political communities the last few weeks.

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

? what’s suspicious about being excited for an independent, leftist candidate?

mrnotoriousman,

what’s suspicious about being excited for a spoiler candidate who will help republicans win

Here, fixed it for ya. Nobody likes it, but FPTP means voting for West pushes the country farther right, not left.

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

FPTP means voting for West pushes the country farther right, not left.

that happens unless Dr. West wins.

kartonrealista,
@kartonrealista@lemmy.world avatar

The US is more to the right on average than Cornel West. He won’t win. Even if that wasn’t the case, people would still mostly vote for the Democratic candidate (in this case Joe Biden), because the Democratic Party is more established and expected to get more votes based on past elections. People are aware of the system used for voting in their country and vote accordingly. Children can understand this, so why are you this obtuse?

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

calling me obtuse doesn’t change whether what I said was true

mrnotoriousman,

You have to be beyond ignorant and stupid to think he is going to do anything other than siphon votes and give the Fascist party more of an advantage.

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

the Fascist party more of an advantage.

the fascist party is the corporate democrats and republicans. any vote that’s not for them is an antifascist vote.

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

no need to present any argument when you can just say

You have to be beyond ignorant and stupid

mrnotoriousman,

There is no argument to be made. FPTP is what it is. You not being able to comprehend it doesn't mean I "need to make an argument" You are just flat out wrong and ignorant.

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

everything i’ve stated has been true. you don’t seem to be able to communicate without personal attacks.

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

You are just flat out wrong and ignorant

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

you didn’t fix anything.

HaggierRapscallier,

This is wierd asf. Why do you pretend Russia needs to spread Islamophobia as a propaganda tool? It’s already there in European and European adjacent countries.

kartonrealista,
@kartonrealista@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t need to spread it from nothing, but expand and utilize? Absolutely possible

Barbarian,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m thankful that the consensus opinion here so far seems to be relatively balanced, even if there are a small minority of asshats either trying to paint Hamas’ actions as justified or trying to claim Israel did nothing wrong.

I’m saying this as a secular non-Israeli Jew who wishes Likud would just leave politics entirely and let Israel have a slightly less insane government for once.

SwagaliciousSR,

This Hamas attack was for sure 100% a russian or mossad or even a co op between the two backed event. Hamas leadership is literally nothing but druggies and child rapists after thirty years of mossad/russian/western intervention and warfare. Competent Palestinian leaders are killed, the incompetent and war hungry let to live. That has been everyones standard operating procedure for years. Now Isreal is going to be not just supported, but cheered on as they establish a fascist ethno state. The rest of the world will soon be following in its steps as the climate change migrants will start moving in the next decade.

maporita,

Can you list the competent Palestinian leaders who have been killed by Israel? All the people targeted by Israel that I know of were Hamas / IJ / Al Qaeda leaders or Iranian military.

SwagaliciousSR,

I am not qualified to give you a comprehensive list of specific Palestinians murdered. However,

…wikipedia.org/…/List_of_Israeli_assassinationsIs a good start, yes lots of those are legitimate war targets. You can always cross reference news articles from the days after the dates, and see a often recurring pattern. Young charismatic leaders who preach anything other than the total destruction of isreal are offed. Those who do are captured and used for trades. Further radicalizing everyone.

My point was that this has been a generational operational idea pruning away any Palestinian leaders who voiced direct opposition without Isreali genocide, and now all they had to do was stand down for two weeks and they’re at exactly the point they wanted to be in back in the 90s/00s. Except even better as the “occupied terretories” as they love to call it are smaller and more tightly packed then ever before. And the world will be turning a blind eye as they finally get to build their fascist apartheid

Chunk,

Hmm. That’s definitely a compelling argument. Multinational cabal committing a false flag operation to create a racially pure dictatorship.

I have another idea let me know what you think.

Iran has been funneling Hamas weapons for years. There’s a supply chain from Iran -> Syria -> Palestine. During the Syrian civil war the Israelis found smuggling tunnels in Palestine and warned about how a destabilized Syrian border is permeable to Iranian weapons. This scale of this attack is likely the result of a persistent effort to stockpile munitions. It is funded by Iran, not Mossad, because Iran explicitly wants to destroy Israel.

Now, my theory isn’t quite as cool as yours. Mine is a little boring and yours is like a spy novel.

federatingIsTooHard,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

could it be that you’re both a little right: war is good for business, so turning a blind eye while iran arms hamas and then letting them start a conflict satisfies some of israel’s long-term goals?

SwagaliciousSR,

Echelon, mk ultra, and prism were all spy novels too.

We now know the Egyptians were (according to them, no comment from isreal) warning the Isrealis atleast ten days ago about a “major and unusual” hamas operation being planned. That dosent sound like the mossad we all know and love(fear?)

While Iran supplying weapons to hamas is indeed problematic, I seriously doubt an influx of Iranian weapons made this any more possible now, then it was a decade ago. Rockets, dirtbikes, and powered hangliders? Hamas has been using all of these for decades.

Hamas, plo and any other Palestinian political movement I can think of has done a pretty decent job considering the tools and training at their disposal, to not target people that would cause them to loose what little western support they already had. Now with pretty little white eu and isreali girls being torture raped to.death on camera that has evaporated. These people are not dumb and knew what the response would be.

From my end it’s 9/11 all over again, everyone knew it was going to happen, at the very least allowed it to happen. Perhaps even assisted in the early stages of planning / logistics then extracting all involvement well before the deed goes off and poof. No more real objections as isreal absorbs the remaining Palestinian areas with extreme prejudice.

Socsa,

I will say, one thing they said about this in The Daily today, was how shocking it was that there were no border defense forces. They kept hitting that point. How even if you believe the intelligence failures, the way columns of vehicles were allowed to ram through a fence and get miles into Israel was even more shocking, considering Israel’s insane density of advanced military hardware.

lysol,

Iran supports Hamas and Iran is also collaborating with Russia. Just saying.

takes off tin foil hat.

SinningStromgald,

Don’t need much tinfoil to get to that conclusion.

TWeaK,

Yeah I mean they’ve been very public about their support and collaboration.

yesdogishere,

yup there is no way Ukraine can win now. All Russia has to do is needle the Republicans that US doesnt have the money for war on two fronts. US is screwed. Ukraine is screwed. Russia has basically won. Which means oil prices at $500 per barrel, and interest rates over 20% p.a. Humanity is fucked.

AdventureSpoon,

I'm so happy the internet allows us to read other people's dumb takes.

autokludge,
@autokludge@programming.dev avatar

↕ Poe’s law in action

Fedizen,

Bro, turn off your phone and go have a wank or something.

jaybone,

You seem like a glass half full kind of person.

slaacaa,

Too bad it’s a glass half full of their own piss (they already drank the other half before typing)

Railcar8095,

Better not to ask what’s on that glass.

lemmylommy,

Also Russia‘s propaganda campaign on this started pretty much immediately.

lurch,

Yeah, there’s a lot of well timed stuff going on right now, especially in Africa, that seems like russia is stirring the pot to distract from their attack on Ukraine. It’s not gonna work, but it’s unsettling how they are willing to harm so many people, even after almost everyone condemned what they have done before. One would assume they would think twice, but no.

HaggierRapscallier,

They’re able to stir them up as you say because the current colonial managers of those regions interfere to the detriment of the natives already. So funnily enough Wagner or some other org is able to give them better deals.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Dividing NATO’s resources on another front is a very likely strategy. It could also just be that, with their stockpiles depleted, the Palestinians decided it was a good moment to strike.

avater,
@avater@lemmy.world avatar

The Kreml would use a flaming bag of shit for propaganda if it’s support his degenerated cause.

salvador, (edited )

European and US propaganda about Kremlin’s propaganda.

“Today Biden has diarrea. We know who’s behind this – Putin! Kremlin. Who else would’ve benefited from this?”

AdmiralShat,

Russia supplies arms to Iran. Iran supplies arms to Hamas and was reported to have helped them plan the attack.

Hamas most likely used Russian weapons to attack Israel.

So of course Russia is going to capitalize on it.

Also, of course, Hexbear can’t let too much shit talking about Russia happen so be prepared for some nasty DMs.

RememberTheApollo_, (edited )

Forces the US to support 2 different wars.

E: lol, what’s the throwaway downvote for? We’re throwing military money at Ukraine and now Israel. 2 wars.

GratefullyGodless,
@GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world avatar

Russia probably came up with this attack plan and fed it to their kgb operatives in Hamas. Their desperate to get other countries to stop supporting Ukraine, and this is just what they need to distract everyone, and give russian assets in other countries reasons to get aid to Ukraine cut.

The whole thing seems so straight out of the kgb playbook, it was probably orchestrated by Putin himself.

randon31415,

Biden should just tie Ukraine military aid to Israeli military aid. No matter what happens, it’s win-win!

zerfuffle,

Sounds like it’s a problem that could be unilaterally solved by the US limiting military aid to Israel instead of propping up a genocidal regime. It’s not Russia’s fault that US foreign policy led to their support of genocidal maniacs.

What do people say about Russia and China? That the government and the people are different entities? The same applies here. Not supporting the absolutely batshit crazy Israeli government does not indicate a lack of support for the Jewish people.

givesomefucks,

The same applies here. Not supporting the absolutely batshit crazy Israeli government does not indicate a lack of support for the Jewish people.

And progressive politicians saying that is one of the few things that unites republicans and “moderate” Dems.

Fedizen,

Fuck Russia. Fuck Israel. Fuck Hamas. Fuck Azerbaijan

VikingHippie,

And fuck Dave from accounting. He knows what he did.

Socsa,

Dave is pretty hot

VikingHippie,

He WILL be when he dies and goes to hell

Nythos,

God I fucking hate Dave from accounting.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Sad thing is that all that Dave ever wanted to do was just count numbers.

drathvedro,

And fuck the US, UK, China and Iran while at it, too

notenoughbutter,

likely

yeah, modi govt. is already using this war to gather votes… in India

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Who would have guesses. Fucking crab.

agitatedpotato,

My boss and I were talking about this and all it did was have us undermine the support the US gives Isreal. Weather you like the funding or not Ukraine recieving war money from the US is probably one of if not the most ‘just’ place war money goes as contradictory as something like war and justice can be.

Gormadt,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s the thing really

War is hell and should be avoided when possible, but sometimes it’s necessary and justified.

Too many people think the only kind of war is an offensive war, but there’s such thing as a defensive war.

Damage,

Honestly, I don’t care about Israel. If we look at it as a conflict between countries, there are no good guys there.

I just wish the EU would send their navies there to get the children and maybe the women out before the real massacre starts, but I know that’s impossible.

uis, (edited )
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Adults don’t deserve to get out? Men don’t deserve to get out?

Damage,

Children deserve it more, if anyone is powerless to change the status quo it’s them

VikingHippie,

Ironically, abducting all the women and children of a people would constitute genocidal behaviour regardless of any positive anti-genocide intentions.

Mateoto,

It’s begun. Elon Musk(ovitch) has already disseminated anti-Semitic and false information to his followers in a now-deleted Twitter post.

TWeaK,

Well, specifically he pointed them to accounts that spread false information, then deleted the post after people complanied.

Damage,

so now that it’s deleted, is it an ex-x-post?

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

𝕏crement, but that’s both for undeleted and deleted posts.

DeathWearsANecktie,

It’s an ex-X (ex-Twitter) post!

lysol,

Badun-tss!

PASAQUALIA,
PASAQUALIA avatar

Sounds like the western propaganda machine is looking to use the conflict in Israel to boost waning support for its proxy war in Ukraine

DeathWearsANecktie,

It’s pretty much an open goal for Kremlin propaganda.

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