PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Tantura in 1948

There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Khan Yunis in 1956

Israel never needed an excuse they just need a lie to sell to the rest of the world now that everyone is watching

downpunxx,
downpunxx avatar

lol. enjoy all you have wrought. you were warned.

AngrilyEatingMuffins,
AngrilyEatingMuffins avatar

What they wrought in 1948? You fucking genocidal Nazi fuck. Please, kill yourself.

somethingsnappy,

The simplest explanation is that if Israel knew where Hamas is, they would have taken them out before any attack by Hamas. They don’t know.

Franzia,

Hamas leadership is in Qatar.

Madison420,

Yup, thermobarics make tunnels deathtraps and Israel certainly has the thermobarics we sold them.

kbotc,

Israel’s not using Fuel-Air bombs here. There’s no point. They’re just using a shedload of mk 80 series with guidance systems. Probably the Mk 81s that the US brought back into service to try and reduce collateral damage during the Iraq war.

Madison420,

Except they have, it’s been documented alongside white phosphorus on mixed targets (civilian w/ “terrorists”).

financialexpress.com/…/defence-unleashing-the-unp…

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

So they kill more than 4000 children? Would they have done the same if the kidnappers were anywhere else in the world? What makes killing over 10,000 civilians a fair trade?

The purpose of this war on Gaza is ethnic cleansing.

somethingsnappy,

It doesn’t make it a fair trade. My point is they have no idea who they are targeting, or they would have been doing targeted take downs before the conflict.

Madison420,

It’s almost like an occupied populace is in itself an inbuilt insurgency for the obvious reasons.

Oddly enough a lesson not learned from WW2.

Maggoty,

Oh the lesson was learned. It’s just being used to kill the oppressed population.

Madison420,

It was in Paris as well, time makes martyrs of oppressed children.

somethingsnappy,

Agreed. Not really the point of the discussion, and also patronizing, but I wish you a good day.

Madison420,

How exactly was it patronizing?

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Collective punishment is a war crime. Having a 90% death rate being civilians is a war crime. Targeting hospitals, schools, water wells, aid trucks and bakeries is a war crime.

They said so themselves. The intent is ethnic cleansing. They have said as much that the goal is to depopulate the Gaza Strip. They have called Palestinians “human animals”.

“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.

“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.

timesofisrael.com/…/defense-minister-announces-co…

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e67b8761-37fc-433d-ba79-8eadab0e729c.png

somethingsnappy,

That is one of the laziest info graphs I’ve ever seen. All of this is terrible, bit please redo it for the first few months of each conflict. This graph was made to show the US as saviors.

itsmeholland,
@itsmeholland@mastodon.social avatar

@PanArab @ira Hamas wasn't founded until THE 80s. Wtf do people think was happening for the first 40 years lmao 🤦 You literally can't blame everything on Hamas, they didn't even exist for half the time.

downpunxx,
downpunxx avatar

someone's never heard of Yasser Arrafat and the PLO, lol

itsmeholland,
@itsmeholland@mastodon.social avatar

@downpunxx @ira @PanArab in fact I have, and those are in fact not Hamas. They also weren't around the entire time either lol. 🙄

trafficnab,

You’re right, it was previously the PLO that were bombing places and hijacking planes

Sir_Kevin,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Seems like they learned from uncle sam how to empire.

downpunxx,
downpunxx avatar

Uncle Sam learned from Arabs, who are from Arabia, not North Africa, and not The Levant, lol

Blapoo,

shocked Pikachu face

Who could have foreseen Israel lying?

YourFavouriteNPC,

So where are we at right now?

“We didn’t bomb the hospital, Hamas did. And even if we bombed the hospital, Hamas used it as a base. And even if they didn’t, a some of them were in there. And even if they weren’t, there were Hamas tunnels under the hospital.”

I wonder what’s next

bioemerl,

We didn’t bomb the hospital, Hamas did

We are here still, because to my knowledge no evidence of the "people in the parking lot" bombing being from Israel has come around and most traits of the explosion point to it being a Hamas rocket.

Even this article doesn't say anything about evidence to the contrary coming forward.

downpunxx,
downpunxx avatar

*PIJ ("Palestinian" Islamic Jihad) fired the rocket that hit their own hospital three weeks ago, not Hamas, Hamas just claimed it was the IDF

ira, (edited )

You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. The hospital you’re referring to is Al-Ahli Arab Hospital. And the “rocket” from the footage you’re referring to has been proven to have been an Iron Dome projectile.

Israel has also attacked Al-Shifa hospital, Al-Quds hospital, the Indonesian hospital, the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship hospital, and the Qatari hospital described in the article.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah they’ve bombed so many hospitals its hard to keep them straight. It’s incredible that Zionists are still bothering to deny it.

Though I’m pretty sure the parking lot explosion was at the al-Shifa hospital.

ira,

No, Al-Shifa was where Israel attacked the ambulance convoy and destroyed the hospital’s solar panels.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh shit you’re right, my b

… god damn a lot of hospitals have been bombed.

Petter1,

It feels like they bombed every hospital because they had intel about one hamas base being under/near one hospital…

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

It feels like they bombed every hospital because they want to make Gaza uninhabitable and force them into Egypt.

bioemerl,

Israel also owns up to all of those. The original commenter is intentionally misleading by calling back to the one that was actually denied.

aniki,

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  • bioemerl,

    Israel has been very plain about saying they did it in the vast majority of cases. The only major hospital incident I'm aware of that they have denied is the one that appears to have been from the Palestinians.

    This article is literally citing the reason Israel gave as justification.

    Toldry,
    @Toldry@lemmy.world avatar

    Note that this article mentions the “Hamad bin Khalifa” hospital.

    The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the “al-Shifa” hospital there is a Hamas base

    They’re two different hospitals

    queermunist, (edited )
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    Now that Israel is openly bombing hospitals I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume they lied about the al-Shifa hospital. oop it was Al-Ahli hospital I can’t keep all of these atrocities straight!

    Unaware7013,

    "The civilians there deserved to be bombed because they supported Hamas"

    Wait, didn't we do that one already?

    Inky,

    They were enemy combatants because they were within bombing radius of an enemy combatant. That was the American logic in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to print more humane-looking civilian casualty numbers

    RizzRustbolt,

    Step the Last: YOU’RE AN ANTISEMITIC ASSHOLE!

    Coasting0942,

    Probably hates America and all the awesome stuff it stands for

    queermunist,
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    “The hospital was never bombed. All the pictures are fake, all the victims are crisis actors.”

    downpunxx,
    downpunxx avatar

    You continue to publish Hamas investigations in "articles" written by Qatar owned Al Jazeera, hahahahaha

    Fuck off you Muslim Terrorist Jews Killing cunts. There will be no ceasefire this time. Enjoy.

    IchNichtenLichten,
    @IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

    One of these days the IDF is gonna fuck up and accidentally tell the truth.

    sirboozebum,

    There have been plenty of Isreali politicians and military people openly saying they are punishing the people of Gaza and want to ethnically cleanse the place.

    sadreality,

    A small price to pay to find tho!

    Franzia,

    Where’s the video of the IDF or Netanyahu going over a 3D rendering of a hospital to explain how the Hamas tunnels may be underneath key infrastructure buildings?

    The propaganda coming out of the IDF justifying their next move is always so insanrly ridiculous. But I guess if there’s now videos coming out of how and where these tunnels are, the IDF might find some more accuracy in their violence.

    Franzia,

    I am so glad this got posted here so we can have a discussion about it after it was locked on Lemmy World.

    mayo,
    @mayo@lemmy.world avatar

    Israel is doing the best it can do in a difficult moral situation.

    I wish I could block sources as well as users.

    mercury,

    I genuinely don’t care about Hamas anymore, they’re symptoms of a greater evil, Israel is directly responsible for the radicalization of those people, because of the horrific conditions Palestinians are put in.

    Alwaysfallingupyup,

    Hmmm they go from one country to another trying to take over the government that let them in. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi wont let them in either… wonder who that can be ??? s/

    poopkins,

    One side is right and the other is wrong… I suppose nobody considered this possibility and the answer was in front of us all this time. Looks like we found the key to fixing the Middle East. Well done!

    somethingsnappy,

    “It’s almost as if.” No worries.

    NAXLAB,

    The video apparently states that this info is 8 years old and doesn’t really prove either way, whether hamas was digging tunnels under the hospital.

    JeeBaiChow,

    You… You get out of here with your ‘reading’ and ‘common sense’ and and ‘considered opinions’! Heathen!

    PatFussy,

    So they did an analysis of 1 hospital that had hamas fighters in the hospital launching rockets within 200ft of the premises… and found that the IDF was mistaken about a tunnel at 1 of their claims… even though there is video footage of tunnels at other hospital locations, this particular one is false so that takes away credence to all claims.

    And these claims for the qatar hospital is being made by the qatar news network. ok gotcha

    Tronn4,

    No tunnels but surprise Saddam Hussien!

    HuddaBudda, (edited )
    HuddaBudda avatar

    However, Sanad’s investigation shows that this is simply the access hatch for a water reservoir that the hospital uses to fill therapeutic pools for amputees, water the grounds, and a reserve water source in case of emergency.

    Sanad analysed satellite footage and archives of the hospital’s construction and spoke to one of the original engineers who built it.

    It's pretty in depth.

    However I have two problems with this logic.

    1. Israel did not confirm the existence of tunnels at that location, which would have been an easy thing to do with a camera and 2 minutes.

    2. This isn't exactly proof that those areas weren't repurposed for tunnels. Just that what Israel thought was a tunnel was not. Which is more of a problem of how the Israel military is assuming too much and bombing people in the process. While processing their assumptions like fact.

    SkyezOpen,

    Their “proof” was a 3d render with tunnel systems throughout the entire hospital so no matter where they blew up, it was valid. They even had weapons on walls and red barrels so you know it was a bad guy base.

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