Carrolade

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Carrolade,

… I don’t care how you try to strap that thing to your body, it’s going to be annoying.

Carrolade,

A fabrication to manufacture outrage? But … who would possibly be willing to do something like that?

Carrolade,

A private mercenary army I can use to conquer my own kingdom.

Carrolade,

There is one feature of the internet that inherently encourages toxicity, and that’s the barrier anonymity grants between online actions and real life consequences.

In real life if you walk up to someone and start talking shit, you can experience consequences from that. Online, you can do something very similar and seldom suffer anything. This allows the internet to be used to vent bottled-up emotions that are otherwise difficult or problematic to express. It also gives young’uns a chance to fuck around without really getting in trouble for it, which can be somewhat intoxicating at that age.

These two factors contribute to an enhanced toxicity that would not be commonly seen just walking around some town somewhere. Most towns anyway. That said, it similarly depends on where you are online. Communities, both online and irl, are unique in their environments and cultures, so one should not expect standardized behavior beyond the very basics when going from place to place.

Carrolade,

Correct. I was not arguing that anonymity is required for bad things to happen. Only that it can encourage certain behaviors. Think of it in terms of percentage.

Carrolade,

Have to admit, 7-2 surprised me a little bit. But I’ll take it.

Carrolade,

A historical context helps out with this. They’re just us from 500 years ago. Even this divinely ordained stuff is straight out of history textbooks, the divine right to rule that medieval kings claimed.

Carrolade,

It’s really not that complicated. Russia today lacks the forces. Russia in two years, after the economy is pushed further into wartime measures and further mobilization of troops, may not.

I don’t recall NATO officials ever saying Russia was going to attack the Baltics tomorrow.

Carrolade,

Don’t let a thirst for justice get in the way of finding allies. It’s about the school districts and their future, not the individuals trying to fuck them up with religious indoctrination.

So, it’s not “good for her” as much as “good for those kids”. And what she deserves or not is less important than those kids futures of being brainwashed or not. She’s just one person, and punishing her would accomplish nothing helpful, you’re not going to scare off her old friends that way or anything.

Carrolade,

Personally I think we should always applaud learning if we want to encourage it further.

Carrolade,

Sure, but I think improvement is worth acknowledging. We should not limit reward to just some kind of good enough.

People do not have to learn or grow, it is in no way required to be a live American citizen that exerts power in our system. If we want people to do it, it needs to be supported. Even if that is sometimes distasteful.

Carrolade, (edited )

Afraid so. I believe in rehabilitation over punishment for criminals, with the goal being the eventual cessation of the behavior.

edit: Side note, not because I like it, but because it is necessary to fix our criminal justice system. We have a very abnormally high recidivism rate, where convicted criminals frequently go on to commit more crimes. Also, while relying on severe punishment may make us feel better, it does not actually work to reduce crime. It is also expensive.

So, as uncomfortable as it may sound, it’s about treatment of the core problems with the goal of eventual release back into society. Even for animal abuse. It’s a challenging issue, unfortunately.

Carrolade,

Not necessarily, no. You don’t reduce recidivism by preaching right and wrong, you do it by cultivating healthy behaviors. Criminals, or republicans for that matter, are not afraid of punishment, and don’t really care about right or wrong.

So, you need to kind of help them grow more healthy practices and adaptations, kind of like re-parenting them, since somebody screwed it up initially. It’s ultimately selfishly beneficial to be a good person, and this can be taught. This is more effective than simply leaning on right/wrong like they’re a young child or something.

I mean, do you not do bad things simply because “they’re wrong”, or do not do them because they would make your life worse in ways you can consider, and you have better alternatives?

Carrolade,

It has its uses, helpful for remembering a short sequence of numbers for instance, or practicing a specific dialogue line that is going to be important, like for a job interview or something where you want a solid and confident delivery. But generally speaking I prefer it quiet, makes it infinitely easier to pay attention to my surroundings.

Meditation is basically the practice of learning how to turn it off at will. Can take awhile, it doesn’t always seem to like being quiet. It also turns off other times though, like when you’re suddenly startled for instance.

Carrolade,

Uh… moral in what sense? Though perhaps asking for common sense from religious zealots is a little unrealistic.

Hey, you think there might be 40 virgins waiting for each of them?

Carrolade,

No, that is not a standard pat down.

Here is a tutorial on how to do one!

youtu.be/c-yKv_AQdXY

Carrolade,

One minor complication: People learn and develop their knowledge of what they want from experience. Where the performance of a given bomber model over german flak batteries should remain fairly consistent over time, a person’s tastes should not. Since they’re likely to change over time, one cannot simply use old data to extrapolate for future results. The system just has more variables than that.

Additionally, even if you were able to use old data to extrapolate for future results, this would simply tell you you’re likely to get the same result as those other guys that were dated: a failed relationship.

All that said, kudos for the succinct summary of survivorship bias, even if it doesn’t fully apply in this case.

Carrolade,

One minor detail that the brain is not homogenous. I don’t know where the sample came from, but you’d probably get different results from grey vs white matter, or the cerebellum vs cerebrum, etc.

Still going to be a gargantuan amount of data though, no matter how you slice it.

NorthWestWind, to showerthoughts
@NorthWestWind@wetdry.world avatar

Philosophy is just applied existential crisis

@showerthoughts

Carrolade,

Yeah, pretty much. Philosophy people can be helpful though, their idea processing systems are fairly robust, and unlike a statistician or scientist, they sort of end up with a side-specialization in communication. Which is extremely valuable these days.

Carrolade,

I don’t think a philosophers job is to answer questions as much as formulate and ask them proficiently.

Carrolade,

Certainly, but that was before the scientific method rose to prominence. Things change, and that can include the purpose of any given practice.

Carrolade,

Asking a question can have many purposes asides simply answering it. I think if a philosopher thinks they are definitively answering important questions, they’re perhaps engaging in a bit of hubris, and while that may have been more appropriate in earlier centuries, I doubt very many in the modern day fall into that kind of self-important trap.

Coming up with hypothesis and working out the brain with new methods and ideas is important in other ways, you simply don’t need that sort of certainty that belongs more in the arena of faith. Call them “answers” or whatever, that’s fine. The purpose is not to arrive or convince, though, it’s to strengthen through exercise and come up with new things. Much like how martial arts is no longer as useful for self defence in a world with handguns, but instead makes for very good exercise and social connections, and is just fun.

Not that philosophy cannot answer any questions, mind you. But I don’t think that’s very important anymore when more rigorous methods exist. Finding answers is a very small thing philosophy can accomplish, that is minor and unimportant compared to the much more valuable things it can do for a person’s skillset. If it did not contribute to skillsets in a very efficient way, I doubt it would have much relevance anymore.

Carrolade,

Yes, that’s the “new stuff” part that I mentioned. You don’t want to stagnate in a world where things are constantly changing as time flows. And you can always continue to refine methods, ask new questions, ask questions in new ways, and yes, even sometimes constrain or find an answer.

Martial arts continues to change as well. New schools appear, new styles appear, etc. I’m not sure what point you’re ultimately trying to make.

Carrolade,

This should not really be surprising to anyone, given that training others is a part of their mission set. Does anyone doubt MI6 is active there, pursuing the missions they’ve been trained for?

That said, I’m surprised a Green Beret team doesn’t already come with a cyber guy. I mean, yeah, that’s probably a good idea to have someone that can monitor and work in the information space when you’re doing a long-term deployment overseas. Probably want a drone/EW guy too.

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