TropicalDingdong

@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world

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TropicalDingdong,

I haven’t watched the video, but I want to address your rhetoric, because it has several issues.

What you are engaging in is a form of projection.

No one is obligated to give you a solution to a problem, or does their identification of a problem imply they have some kind of ulterior motive. You are projecting what you wish their motivation was onto them, and then attacking them what you imagine their motivation to be.

Saying that Joe Biden’s electoral chances are weak and he has little chance of getting elected doesn’t mean I support Trump. Before we can have a conversation about alternatives, we need to be honest with ourselves about what the facts are. Being clear eyed about facts doesn’t mean I support your perceived opposing interpretation of what those facts mean.

When and if you do this thing, you are projecting a false narrative onto people. In projecting that false narrative, you shut down the legitimate criticism they are bringing forward, which is a kind of gaslighting.

There are two primary fallacies at work here, the red hearing fallacy and the false choice fallacy.

The red hearing fallacy is that instead of addressing the premise of the argument the interlocutor is making, you are projecting onto them a perceived motivation (your perception), identifying that as the issue, and attacking that. Its way of distracting from their premise and making the argument about something it isn’t or didn’t’ start as.

The false dichotomy fallacy is that this is a binary between Trump and Biden, which has nothing to do with the arguers premise. Its not clear to me that the video even mentions Trump (I’ll check it out once I get this response written), which isn’t at all what they were arguing. Its another form of gaslighting, that if you are bringing these criticisms forward, you must support Trump.

The original interlocutor owes you answers to neither of those. I bring this criticism of your rhetoric to your attention because I’ve been seeing the identical sequence of fallacies, in almost the exact same order, being used across lemmy in an attempt to shut down criticism of Biden, to ignore his realistic chances of re-election, and in-general, to gaslight people as if they were Trump supporters because they are bringing forward legitimate criticism of Biden.

Suppose I tell you your house is flooding. Your current response would have two components: “Flooding is far less damaging than fire”, and “You must be a fan of fire if you aren’t telling me how to put stop the flooding”.

Neither of those have anything to do with the original premise of if the house is, in-fact, flooding.

No one owes you a solution to your problems. Them bringing up that you have a problem doesn’t make them a proponent of some other problem.

TropicalDingdong,

Ahem. I don’t see the Lemmy app on there.

TropicalDingdong,

You can’t buy more voters this election.

You actually haven’t been able to buy voters in a while.

People are locked in. It’s all about driving your base at this point.

TropicalDingdong,

"but sweety, you haven’t touched you nug-guns"

TropicalDingdong,

JFC I didn’t even notice the x axis at first glance.

TropicalDingdong,

There is no excuse for this kind of ungodly travesty of a lie made with data.

They are awarded no points and may God have mercy on their soul.

TropicalDingdong,
TropicalDingdong,

*clicks link *

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/43c2d92e-e650-4fcf-a38d-bd15bb44f342.png

Edit:

From the wikipedia:

The show currently has a 14% rating on Rotten Tomatoes,[41] where critics describe it as “psychological torture” and “Freudian Horror”.

TropicalDingdong,

If the Biden campaign knew up from down they wouldn’t be polling in the thirties.

I think we see Niki Haley restart her campaign, and I think there is a real possibility we see Mitt Romney throw his hat into the ring.

Guarantee the Haley camp is discussing this right now.

TropicalDingdong,

Trumpers ain’t leaving Trump. 100%.

But Trump voters aren’t all Trumpers. The RNC isn’t a monolith. Plenty of them went with Trump as the most likely to win.

But now there is blood in the water. My guess is that there is between 10-15% of Trump voters who are die hard Trumpers who won’t move on from Trump, maybe ever. The rest are on a spectrum that can be moved. There is at least a non-zero percent of voters that for them, but if he’s seen as no longer viable… well that does change things. Perception matters a lot here. Its the electability aspect, that a felon just can’t become elected.

If its 3-10% of Republican likelies, that’s a huge difference.

TropicalDingdong,

I think you misunderstand me or I wasnt clear enough.

I meant that there will be a 10-15% cohort still voting Trump in 2040 after he’s dead and buried because that was a ‘false’ flag and actually Trump was JFK and actually his robot soul was captured by Neuralink and if you write his name enough times on a mirror backwards then he’ll become president Jesus again. Like there are 10-15% of people who will be voting for Trump, regardless of who the nominee is, and may never vote for anyone ever again.

I also think there are gradations within the RNC. I don’t think its a monolith. I think some, probably about as many those who can-not, can be moved away from Trump, not for moral or any kind of ‘good’ reasons, other than voting for him seems like a less strategic vote.

He might still end up being the nominee. But like the DNC, the RNC has no commitment to follow the will of their voters. If he is in jail and can’t directly influence things, who knows.

TropicalDingdong,

I mean it in a “There are still people who think gamestop is going to be a billion dollar stock” manner.

See: lemmy.world/c/gamestopstock

Cult/ Cargo cult level “They will never support another candidate again” is what I mean. They’ll write him in. They’ll have wild conspiracy theories. Not need to push. It will happen it on its own.

I would guess its around 25-30% of Republican voters. Its the conspiracy theory mind-set cutting backwards against those that seed it. There is no undoing this.

TropicalDingdong,
TropicalDingdong,

Thats what I’m conjecturing. This is the cohort that thought JFK was going to show up to some event or something a few months ago.

TropicalDingdong,

yahoo.com/…/why-qanon-believers-think-jfk-1708392…

I don’t think you need to worry about them throwing their ballots away as long as we can get through this gate.

TropicalDingdong,

Yeah its not like sentencing waits for appeal right?

People who have been in prison for years are still going for appeals.

TropicalDingdong,

Its pretty far to the right (liberal/conservative), and they spam your feed constantly with click baity ass shit. Most of its not worth clicking on. Ragebait, clickbait, wishcasting, nothing burgers.

The two reasons to have been watching it until now have been Karen Friedman Agnifilo, and Michael Cohen. Both are contributors to the channel.

Karen Friedman Agnfilo is a former prosecutor in the office (30 years) that was prosecuting Trump. And Micheal Cohen is… well… he’s Michael Cohen.

These two figures are particularly informative in regards to this trial, and so are worth watching. Once this trial is well behind us, I’m not going to be watching the channel, unless its specifically regarding a legal matter.

And that’s the divide for me. This channel is great for legal analysis. But their political analysis is just, myopic, to say the least. I don’t go to them for political analysis. They don’t know up from down in this regard.

If you want great legal analysis, they are the best.

If you want recommendations for political analysis lmk.

TropicalDingdong,

Yeah its very much nitty gritty, wonk++ level analysis.

State Department official resigns after Biden administration says Israel not blocking Gaza aid (www.middleeasteye.net)

A career State Department official resigned from her post on Tuesday, saying she could no longer work for the Biden administration after it released a report concluding that Israel was not preventing the flow of aid to Gaza....

TropicalDingdong,

Its not a false premise whatsoever that Biden will not be the next president. Its the constant theme in all the data we have available to us on the matter.

First approval polls:

On this date of Trumps presidency, he was dick deep in covid and maybe the most uncertain period of time in recent history.

Even with all that, he had five points on Biden: 42.6 to 37.8. Trump remained a one term president.

Same date of George H.W. Bush’s presidency, Bush had 3 points on Biden, at 40.

Jimmy Carter, another one term president. 40.7 on today’s date in his presidency.

Literally every single one term President of the last 60 years was polling higher than Joe Biden is currently polling, at this exact point in their presidency.

Presidents that won a second term? ALL of them were beating Bidens currently approval by 10 points or better on this date of their presidency. And more importantly, their polling percentage over time was rising, as in, going up and to the right. Bidens polling isn’t going up and to the right. Its going down. He’s not gaining traction, he’s losing it.

Now onto head to head polls:

Biden over-polls by about 4%, Trump under-polls by about 8% when compared to real election results:

How is Biden polling in a head to head? He’s losing to Trump, and has been losing to Trump in head to head polling for over 400 days. Out of the last 50 polls, Biden has lost 47 of them in a head to head with Trump. Thats not accounting for differential sampling error. If you account for the typical pattern of sampling error we would associate with a Biden v Trump head to head, Biden has won precisely 0 polls against Trump in the last 400 days.

If the election were tomorrow, it wouldn’t even be close. Trump would win in a blow out.

You need to pull your head out of the sand.

TropicalDingdong,

Bro you are completely delusional if you think I’m for Trump.

And our bets still stands yeah?

Because I’m feeling better than ever about it.

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