atomicpoet

@atomicpoet@mastodon.social

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atomicpoet, (edited ) to random

I need you all to do me a favour and follow these steps:

  1. Visit this post: https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/110328640192551572

  2. Click the link shown I've shown in the red box (see screenshot)

  3. Tell me if the link goes to mastodon.social or venera.social

I want everyone to report what you see.

atomicpoet,

@dangillmor It shouldn't be taking you to Mastodon.

atomicpoet,

@oblomov Thank you.

atomicpoet,

@sam Thanks!

atomicpoet,

@dangillmor Yeah, the link -- as it displays in the message -- should take you to venera.social. But instead it takes you to mastodon.social.

atomicpoet,

@BlackAzizAnansi Okay, you're on mas.to. Good to know.

atomicpoet,

@orthoheterodox What happens when you click this link: https://venera.social/profile/fediversenews

atomicpoet,

@dangillmor Yeah, it should be going to Friendica, not Mastodon. That's a problem.

atomicpoet,

@yuroon Are you Mastodon's website or Venera's website?

atomicpoet,

@oblomov What do you think of that?

atomicpoet,

@cliffwade @lewriley I don't like that it redirects people to mastodon.social.

atomicpoet,

@venite Got it, you're on Mastodon.

atomicpoet,

Okay, people are reporting two wildly different behaviours:

  1. Some report that the URL take them to venera.social -- as I intended it to

  2. Others report that it takes them to a profile on mastodon.social

This divergence in the destination of the URL is not ideal.

atomicpoet,

@accretionist @dangillmor The problem is that too much context gets lost if users are not going to the originating server.

@fediversenews is a group. But even if I post the URL of the profile, people see a Mastodon profile -- not a Friendica group.

So from a Mastodon user's perspective, what they're seeing is a boost bot, not a group.

atomicpoet,

Basically, mastodon.social is hiding the originating URL by redirecting it back to the profile on mastodon.social:

https://venera.social/profile/fediversenews

Thus making it seem like it's a Mastodon account when it is not.

atomicpoet,

@shiruken Nope, not always.

atomicpoet,

@steve Explain a little bit more, because I want to understand: Why would a URL of a remote server redirect to a profile view on mastodon.social?

If I wanted people to see a profile, I'd tag them. If I want people to visit a URL, I'd post the URL.

atomicpoet,

@rrgeorge Me too! What the hell did I do different?

atomicpoet, to fediversenews

Just a reminder that @fediversenews is not a “headless boost bot”.

It’s a Fediverse group hosted on a Friendica server, specifically venera.social.

If you’re unaware of what this group actually looks like, please visit this URL:

https://venera.social/profile/fediversenews

Please don’t use this as a boosting service for Mastodon or you’ll be banned.

atomicpoet,

@oliphant Again, this is why I opted to use a group instead of a hashtag.

As I've learned from Twitter and Instagram, when hashtags gain popularity, they get hijacked -- and there's nothing you can do about it.

A group at least gives me the option to ban bad actors from attempting that.

atomicpoet,

@Rairii Yeah, that's really bad behaviour on the part of mastodon.social!

atomicpoet, to random

Keep in mind why I opted for using Fediverse groups instead of hashtags: anyone can use a hashtag and therefore hijack it.

There’s no way to block someone from using a hashtag. However, trolls can be blocked from using a group.

atomicpoet,

There’s a problem with Friendica groups, though: through Mastodon, trolls know how many people follow a Friendica group.

Which means they know how many people will receive a group’s content in their Home feeds.

This gives these groups a big target on their back should they become popular.

atomicpoet,

@adymitruk They’re kind of like Facebook groups but federated. Mastodon doesn’t directly support them yet.

atomicpoet,

@Rairii I don’t know, but as an early adopter of this feature, I’m learning something important: the value of comment controls. If groups become more popular, there needs to be three tools:

  1. Federated comment deletion
  2. Thread locking
  3. Comment queues that allows moderators to review before posting

A Reddit-style auto moderator would be incredibly useful too.

atomicpoet, to fediversenews

I'm test driving for public groups.

Like , /kbin can ban trolls from participating in groups.

Unlike Friendica, you can remove posts local to where the group is hosted.

Unfortunately, the offending comments still appears in user timelines because other Fediverse servers do not delete after comments are removed locally.

Another alternative could be which supports groups through "Channels". However these do NOT federate.

@fediversenews

atomicpoet,

@lapingvino Federation is pretty important.

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