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Advocate, to mcsuggestions

"inhibit natural creativity" is an outright lie

My creativity is infinite by not having a way to sit down and by not having vertical slabs. There's no way in the game to do these things no matter how creative you are. A trap door is (usually) not a substitute for a vertical slab and and there's literally no way to simulate sitting down. That's Microsoft saying they don't want to, it's nothing to do with us. And that's just the top two things on their rejected page.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@Advocate I think the slabs may be a technical limitation. They'd have to deal with every combination of top & bottom slab, which might involve tons of new blockstates or an overhaul of how slabs were handled and thus not be very feasible when they have other things to work on.

Or it might be another vertical slabs thing where they say it "liMitS CreAtIViTY".

tester0815, to testersmagazine

HALLO

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@tester0815 henlo

Pamasich, to kbinMeta
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@ernest
I've noticed this week that I'm currently seeing no visual indication that the boost button is active. No underline, color, or anything.
It seems that a now-broken userstyle I'm using expects there to be an "active" class applied to the element, but it isn't anymore. Is that intentional?
Figured I should point this out to you in case you don't know already.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@Pamasich @ernest Can confirm that this is an issue. I brought attention to it a short while back, and there are also some bugs with the visuals for vote buttons not consistently working as they should.

cogwheel, to AskKbin
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@jupiter_rowland

As someone using both kbin and hubzilla, would you mind telling me a little about the differences, and pros and cons from a user perspective? I haven't been able to find a hubzilla instance with open registration, but I'm interested in standing up an instance of either hubzilla or kbin.

Thanks!

Also, can't figure out how to DM or microblog without posting to a magazine, so apologies if this isn't an exact fit for/ askkbin

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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This isn't an answer to your main question, but /m/random is the collection of things that aren't in an actual magazine, so posting there would essentially be not posting to a magazine.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568, to gaming
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I literally just opened Geometry Dash and was met with a terms of service pop up.
"…Why are they showing me this? Did my data get wiped or something?"
And then I see the Tower and realize that 2.2 just released.

Glad to finally see it here. Played through Dash (which is really easy for an insane imo, beat it much more quickly than usual), and it was mostly great! Only issue is that I REALLY don't like the swing copter. It's not fun to use at all.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@juggles
Can't say I'm great at it either. Honestly, platformer game type is a weird concept for Geometry dash, but I don't mind it. The way different game modes are incorporated into it is really fun though

slybird, to AskKbin

I can't seem to interact with Mastodon posts from my Kbin account?

I haven't used this platform since the mass migration a few months ago. I thought I would give it another try.

Back then the main reason I chose Kbin over Lemmy was I was under the impression that Kbin would allow me to partake in both Lemmy and Mastodon.That it would combine a Twitter and Reddit experience into one login. Is that not the case? Do I also need a Mastodon account to respond to posts on Mastodon instances?

This Fediverse platform is still as confusing as it was months ago. Likely I just need a little further guidance.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@slybird You should be able to view, post, and interact with Mastodon posts (and posts from similar platforms) by clicking the Microblog tab in the header. If you want to view both Reddit-style threads and microblog posts, click the All Content tab.

Unfortunately, microblogging on Kbin is quite buggy due to poor federation (i.e., connection with other instances like Mastodon sites, Lemmy sites, etc.). The Kbin developer has been working on better infrastructure for handling federation with Lemmy instances, Mastodon instances, other Kbin instances, etc. Hopefully that those improvements fix most of the issues with microblogging, but we'll have to see.

You can follow the progress of Kbin's development over at @kbinDevlog. The dev posts there about every day.

HarkMahlberg, to random
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You guys gotta stop making me call you out like this.

When I rotate a layer, and I want to rotate it by 270 degrees, you cap me out at 180 degrees. But I know you are perfectly capable of understanding how to rotate an image by 270 degrees, because you let me rotate by -90 degrees. You know. That's how circles work? You don't think I'm gonna use the crappy little slider to rotate an image by -92.09 degrees do you? Let me just type in an angle, any angle, and convert it to whatever you need after I mouse out of the field.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@HarkMahlberg TIL that there other people out there who use paint.net.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568, (edited ) to fediverse
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Now that for-profit tech companies are beginning to implement , I think it's important to establish what we want with the and whether federation with , , Tumblr, and the like bring us closer to or further from those goals.

With that in mind, I've come up with a few statements (in no particular order) that describe what I think is an "ideal fediverse" — a fediverse that's not necessarily realistic but that we should aim for:

  1. No actor controls a large portion of visible activity.
  2. Users can move between instances without penalty.
  3. Creating and running an instance requires minimal effort.
  4. People on or entering the fediverse understand the variety of available options.
  5. There is no downside to using free and open-source platforms over proprietary ones.

These definitely aren't comprehensive, and if you have anything you'd add, let's discuss that! They're currently helping me reassess my stance on Threads now that Flipboard is also entering the stage, and I hope they're helpful for others as well.

I'll elaborate on these five statements in the comments.

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ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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  1. No actor controls a large portion of visible activity.

This is important for instances to be able to defederate from those with bad moderation, harmful values, etc. If a person or group controls a big portion of the content that people see on an instance, then that instance will lose a lot of that content should they defederate. That person or group would essentially be able to do whatever, and instances would find difficulty defederating because they'd lose so much visible activity and thus users.

If a single entity gets enough dominance over activity, they could make defederation from them out of the question for a ton of users. Furthermore, that entity could cripple the fediverse by simply leaving it, taking a bunch of users from other instances with them. This is a big concern many people have with Threads; if 90% of the activity you see on mastodon.social comes from Threads, then Meta would be able to nab a ton of mastodon.social users by leaving the fediverse, facing those users with the choice of either losing a ton of their connections & follows or jumping ship to Threads.

But you don't even need a supermajority of content to cause that much harm. For example, take the threadiverse (Lemmy/Kbin). A large portion of visible activity is controlled by the admins of lemmy.world. Thankfully, they seem to nice people, but if they were to start (for example) being more lax with hate speech, other Lemmy/Kbin instances would either have to deal with it or lose access to a large portion of the activity pool. If any threadiverse instance were to defederate from lemmy.world — even if the lemmy.world admins started acting against the interests of the fediverse and its users — that instance would lose a dangerous number of users.

  1. Users can move between instances without penalty.

One of the main benefits of the fediverse is that you can move to a different instance and still be able to view the same content. If the admins of your instance start making moderation decisions you disagree with or you just decide that you want to be on an instance that you yourself run, you're able to move and still interact with the content pool. Thus, as long as the platform your destination instance uses (e.g., Firefish, Kbin, Mastodon) supports the same type of content as your old one, you should be able to move without any downsides. The more penalty there is for moving, the more people will feel trapped on an instance even if they want to leave.

This is partially a matter of robust systems for moving accounts, but it's also a matter of having good options available. Mastodon has a ton of active, stable instances, so if you ever want to move (e.g., because your instance is or isn't defederating from Threads), you can do so and still be able to use Mastodon. However, the only such instance on Kbin is kbin.social (not counting instances that run Mbin, a fork with different features & development). If you want to move from kbin.social to another Kbin instance, you don't really have a lot of options. And if you're on something that's closed-source, you'll be forced to move to a different platform entirely, which may not be great for the user — an important reason why free and open-source software should be prominent on the fediverse.

Obviously, this is something that might be impossible to achieve. But even if we can't eliminate the strings attached to moving to another instance, we should try to minimize them.

  1. People can create and run their own instances to their liking with minimal effort.

If a user wants to, they should be able to control their interactions on the fediverse through running their own instance, and doing so should require as little effort as is feasible. Many people have already set up single-person instances for the purpose of having more control over their data. If people can't do that, then they're forced to put their account and content under the control of other people. Of course, most people are fine with this provided that they trust their instance admins, but the option to be your own admin should be as available as possible.

This is part of why it's so important to have prominent open-source platforms. If Mastodon weren't open-source, then anyone who likes Mastodon but wants to control their content would be out of luck. If you like the Threads interface but don't want to be on an instance run by Meta, you just don't have that option.

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ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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  1. People on or entering the fediverse understand the variety of available options.

If someone isn't aware that they're on the fediverse, then they can't really benefit from the openness and customizability that it provides. A mastodon.social user who knows nothing of the fediverse won't know that they can move to a different Mastodon instance or interact with the same content using Friendica, as they won't know that the options exist to begin with.

Furthermore, people will have more incentive to preserve an open fediverse if they're aware that it exists. If the fediverse is filled with people who, for example, think that Threads is all there is or didn't come to Threads with an awareness of the fediverse, the fediverse becomes much easier to undermine.

  1. There is no downside to using free and open-source platforms over proprietary ones.

If someone wants to join a closed-source instance run by a for-profit company, they should absolutely be able to. However, that should ideally be because they prefer an instance moderated by Meta, not because the free and open-source alternatives are relatively lacking. Open-source software is extremely important in order for users to have options and agency, so we should aim for these factors to not come with a sacrifice. Otherwise, companies will be able to draw most newcomers to their instance and attain a large share of the content on the fediverse, which is bad as discussed with Statement #1.

Going by this principle, if the owner over a closed-source fediverse platform starts trying to create exclusive functionality that would attract people their instance, they should be regarded with extreme caution. If you're familiar with the whole "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" thing, a company doing such would be the "Extend" phase of EEE, and that's a situation we should avoid at all costs.

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ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@rah I'd say the fediverse in general, particularly those on instances with microblogging (as they're the ones affected by Threads, Flipboard, etc.). Obviously, everyone won't have the same values, but I think it's still important that everyone at least thinks about what they want the fediverse to grow into.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@rah Maybe I'm not being clear. When I say that "we" means "the fediverse in general", I don't mean that everyone should gather 'round and come to a consensus on what values they should uphold and who should be excluded. This is obviously something that should occur on an instance or individual level, as (A) there are a large variety of different people and instances on the fediverse with different priorities and (B) as you stated, anyone can implement ActivityPub and tap into the fediverse if they want to, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

What I mean is that people should be thinking about what they think instance owners should aim for and form their opinions on the current situation based on that. My goal with this post is to show what I think an "ideal fediverse" looks like and have others share their thoughts. Having thoughts about what's healthy for people on the fediverse and having wants based on that isn't misunderstanding the technology — it's simply expressing preferences.

umbraroze, to RedditMigration
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OK so search has always sucked.
It has sucked especially in the New Reddit era.
Now, they have deployed the Even Newer Reddit user interface.

One of my biggest use cases of Reddit was "what are people in various communities talking about this particular video"?

In Old.Reddit, you could at least see crossposts in the unlikely case that the YouTube URL was somehow equivalent to the actual URL posted to Reddit. You know, because YouTube videos could be called upon by many requests, and Reddit fucking gave no shit about any URL normalisation.

But they at least let you see if anyone had crossposted shit.

Apparently, the New New User Interface fucking doesn't even let you do that. I tried searching for a particular video that was already posted in particular communities. Nothing.
Tried Google Search to find this particular thing. OK, found it.
Slapped "old." to it. "6 discussions."
That's it. Reddit was already shit at finding discussions about particular YouTube videos if you didn't use old.reddit. The new Reddit interface at least pretended the crossposts were there. Crossposts no longer are there. Why the fuck do people even follow the site any more.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@umbraroze

Why the fuck do people even follow the site any more.

Unfortunately, that's where all the content is. Things like this don't bother a lot of people — for example, discussion about YT videos wasn't something I ever used Reddit for — and as long as Reddit is the only platform providing what they're interested in, they're going to stay.

btp, to random
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It's kind of funny how many 1:1 clones of popular subreddits were created on kbin after the big Reddit api debacle earlier this year that were posted in by like one or two people for a month or so, then just completely died. Some with hundreds or 1k + users subscribed.

Just seeing all of them in the abandoned magazine section.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@btp Yeah, it sucks to see how much activity has dropped since the Reddit migration. Monthly active users have dropped from 45,000 to 5000. If you think that a lot of the 45,000 were alts, it's still a huge drop compared to Lemmy (65,000 to 35,000). I think Ernest's long absence was a big factor in the decline.

But even among the few who are here, there's little posting outside of the big news and meme magazines (though that also goes for Lemmy communities). Not unique to the by any means — there will always be way more lurkers than posters — but I really wish more people would contribute to the communities that they're active in.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568, to kbinMeta
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@ernest RTR#32 Voting Bug Report:

Wasn't able to upvote, downvote, or boost anything in my sub feed without getting an error.

  • Opening a new tab fixed the problem.
  • Refreshing the page fixed the problem.
  • Going back to previous pages and then returning did not fix the problem.
ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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@ernest Happened again while viewing this post. Couldn't vote or boost the post, the crosspost, or any comments. Alongside the things from before, changing the comment sort seemed to fix the problem.

ThatOneKirbyMain2568,
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I'm not sure what the issue is, but it doesn't seem to be specific to any thread or page. Just that sometimes, all voting & boosting on a page just doesn't work.

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