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lvxferre, (edited ) to RedditMigration in Reddit revenue rises 20% ahead of IPO, but it isn’t profitable yet
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

I trust Reddit enough to manipulate the numbers to make the situation better than it looks like. to make the situation look better than it actually is.*

That said, some increase in short-term profit is to be expected, when a company exploits its own value: getting rid of third party apps, decreasing running costs by locking LLM training bots out, being rather aggressive on pushing towards the official app to anyone who “dares” to use a plain mobile browser, wrestling control of the subreddits from the “landed gentry”, so goes on. The problem will be only quantified later, as profits will drop and “nobody will know” why.

So it’s a lot like eating the seeds for your next season. Sure, you’ll be fuller now, but you’ll starve later.

*just fixing the poor original phrasing.

JohnEdwa, (edited )

Doesn’t matter as long as the people who did it got their money and are sailing to the sunset in their private yachts.
What do they care if yet another fantastic website got turned into a steaming pile of enshittification in the process.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

They don’t care, indeed. And that genuinely leaves me with a sour taste in the mouth - that they’re enshittifying a platform that used to be decent, and getting away with it.

I wish that users fought against it, by simply… leaving. However whoever was to leave already left, like us; the rest is like that sort of dog with an abusive owner, no matter how much Reddit Inc. kicks them they’ll remain there, and never fight back, at most whimper.

JohnEdwa, (edited )

no matter how much Reddit Inc. kicks them they’ll remain there, and never fight back, at most whimper.

Reddit is who still “feeds” a lot of us. I looked for alternatives, and use Lemmy as much as I can, but there just are communities that only exist on Reddit.
I did prune my subscribed subreddits from 140 down to 11 though, and will never install their official app.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

Cases like yours count as “leaving”, for the sake of this division. Sure, you’re still interacting with the platform - but you’re doing it in a limited way, only with the comms that you couldn’t find elsewhere, dictating how you do it, looking for and feeding alternatives. You aren’t passively accepting the shite going on, like the majority there.

What I said applies the most to the moderators still there, rationalising excuses to not migrate their communities. Lemmy/Kbin, Tildes, oldschool forums, even Discord (eew), unless the alternative is 120% perfect it is not good enough. Still submitting their users to an abusive administration, knowing that Reddit will go downhill past IPO, but doing nothing against it.

Chozo,
Chozo avatar

I trust Reddit enough to manipulate the numbers to make the situation better than it looks like.

What? Nooo, Spez would never make undocumented changes to misrepresent things! Don't be silly.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

You made me realise that I worded it really, really bad. (I need to fix it.)

I’m glad that you guys got the meaning that I was trying to convey though - that Reddit Inc. is scum, you can trust on the fact that they’re scum, and spez et al. are likely distorting the situation to make Reddit look more profitable than it is.

Bonifratz, (edited )

Thanks for reminding me of this. For those not aware, in 2016 Spez secretly edited users’ reddit comments. It’s fascinating that he survived as CEO after that given that it shows an absolutely breathtaking failure of judgment and self-control.

blhue, to RedditMigration in Reddit revenue rises 20% ahead of IPO, but it isn’t profitable yet

@CoffeeAddict People still use reddit?

TimeSquirrel,
TimeSquirrel avatar

Can't help it when half of my programming research ends up on Stackoverflow, the other half on Reddit.

wjrii,
wjrii avatar

I still keep reddit as a read-only resource, and yes, plenty of people still use it. There are niche communities that I sure do wish could hit a critical mass on the threadiverse, and the archive of advice and (mostly) human reviews of stuff are helpful.

That said, either it's reddit or it's me, but any community that's even slightly large seems to have a lost a little thoughtfulness and vibrancy. The takes are more boring, the jokes more repetitive, and I run across others' "goodbye overwrites" a lot more often than I thought I would, and generally in places where it seems like the original posts were genuine attempts to be helpful. Reddit is not gone, but it is reduced, and must eventually fade into the west.

CoffeeAddict, to RedditMigration in Reddit revenue rises 20% ahead of IPO, but it isn’t profitable yet
CoffeeAddict avatar

The company is moving ahead with its plans to go public more than two years after it first confidentially filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission. Reddit’s listing is closely watched as a bellwether of an IPO market in the midst of a tentative rebound from a two-year dearth of first-time share sales.

Looks like the enshittification is about to get even worse than it was. Perhaps we might see another exodus to lemmy/kbin once this happens?

Pamasich,
Pamasich avatar

Perhaps we might see another exodus to lemmy/kbin once this happens?

Don't forget Piefed, the new member of the family.

originalucifer,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

id like to see another wave. theres a much larger footprint to absorb it than there was 6-7 months ago.

jeena, to RedditMigration in Reddit revenue rises 20% ahead of IPO, but it isn’t profitable yet
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

So we were holding it back all the time and now once we were gone they can finally make some money?

Flyberius, to worldnews in IMF lifts China’s 2024 growth forecast to 5%
@Flyberius@hexbear.net avatar

Ah yes. China’s struggling economy…

nekandro, to worldnews in IMF lifts China’s 2024 growth forecast to 5%

What! No way! Nobody could have seen this coming!

Bigoldmustard, to world in US leads global oil production for sixth straight year: EIA

What if they said “US is Most Drilled Location for Oil for 6th Consecutive Year”. Would that be more honest? The US isn’t gaining from the oil being drilled, the corporations that identify as US corporations are sucking up all that profit and being subsidized to do it.

ViXY_DBC,

Indeed, American people, US government, multi-continent corporations… are different entities for sure.

Rapidcreek, to world in US leads global oil production for sixth straight year: EIA

Yup. Drill baby drill until …

Nudding,

But Biden said he was gonna fix the climate :(

SuperIce,

We are building renewable energy at a really high pace and also quickly increasing the numbers of EVs being sold vs ICEs. But we still need oil in the meantime and it’s better to produce our own and be as energy independent as possible.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah wake me up when they let a single chinese EV get imported for sale or let go of military control in a single OPEC country that they totally aren’t holding because of funni petrodollar

Stovetop,

Polestar is a Chinese-owned brand and is available in the US. Chinese cars in general aren’t popular in the US, though. When every other major brand has their own EV available in the US, it’s not like the consumer is hurting for choice. Just affordability.

dubyakay,

Polestar is Swedish, not Chinese.

narp,

Polestar is a subsidiary of Volvo Cars. Volvo Cars was bought by Geely in 2010, a private Holding Group owned by Li Shufu, a chinese billionaire.

Li Shufu is also the chairman of Volvo Cars.

Polestar was founded and headquartered in Sweden, so it is a swedish company but it is owned by Geely/Li Shufu.

Stovetop,

Polestar is owned by Volvo, who themselves are owned by Geely, a Chinese company. Polestar also manufactures most of their models in Chengdu, Sichuan, China.

They are headquartered in Sweden in the same sense that TikTok is headquartered in Los Angeles.

Nudding,

Do you think we’re going to stop using fossil fuels and switch to renewables? Or do you think we’ll just use both and increase our power demands?

ViXY_DBC,

US is actually a large fossil fuel exporter. i.e., it’s less about energy independence, more about corporate profit.

heatmap.news/…/america-has-never-exported-so-much…

We are also making renewable energy at 1/3 of the rate of China.

SuperIce,

Context is important though. The reason that the US is now such a huge fuel exporter is because of oil crises in the past. The government realized how dependent the US is on oil and handed out huge subsidies and land grants to produce its own oil and not be dependent on other, not so friendly countries. The side effect of all that production is now huge corporate profit from the excess production.

ViXY_DBC,

I don’t disagree, there was a time the objective of the policy was understandable. Then the big corporations came in and everything went down hill fast. smh

credo, (edited )

Where the oil comes from doesn’t fix the climate. Unless you count that it affects the cost, which then affects how people vote?

Nudding,

The fact that the oil got pumped at all, all but guarantees that we have broken the climate. Unless it gets put back in using clean energy, we’re fucked. Pumping it was a bad idea, burning it is suicide.

Drusas, to worldnews in Japan’s economy slips into recession, raises BOJ policy uncertainty

“What’s particularly striking is the sluggishness in consumption and capital expenditure that are key pillars of domestic demand,” said Yoshiki Shinke, senior executive economist at Dai-ichi Life Research Institute.

I can't imagine how anyone is surprised by this. Japanese goods have increased in price (inflation) for the first time in an extremely long time. As in, for the first time within many people's memories. Of course they're suddenly going to be more concerned about spending.

antidote101, to worldnews in Japan’s economy slips into recession, raises BOJ policy uncertainty

Might this have been part of their attempts to trigger inflation?

Japan had been in deflation for 25 years. They were trying to get out of it.

FuckyWucky, to worldnews in Japan’s economy slips into recession, raises BOJ policy uncertainty

If one of the criticisms of the ‘ultra-easy’ low interest policy is that it causes inflation, that doesn’t appear to be the case since inflation has been going down there just like every other country..

Pamasich, to RedditMigration in Reddit revenue rises 20% ahead of IPO, but it isn’t profitable yet
Pamasich avatar

I don't really get how these "IPOs" work. Someone actually has to pay that money for Reddit, right? Even if they manage to get Reddit temporarily profitable, are people really going to get fooled into investing just from that? Or are they guaranteed to get whatever Reddit's value is at the time of the IPO somehow?

tias, (edited )

Reddit The current owners set the offer price, and tries to argue for why it’s worth that much. It’s up to investors to sign up to buy. If not enough investors sign up, the deal won’t go through and Reddit has to go back to the drawing board.

You’d hope investors would see through the facade and not sign up unless it’s dirt cheap, and maybe they will. There are plenty of dumb investors though.

Pyr_Pressure,

A company determines how much it thinks it is worth (i.e. $1 billion dollars) and then splits that into a certain number of stocks. If it wants it’s shares to cost $100 each, then they offer to sell people 10 million shares (10,000,000 shares for $100 each is $1 Billion).

If people think the company really is worth that much, or is worth even more, or can become more valuable in the future, they will buy those shares at $100 in the hopes that they can sell them for more later.

If they don’t think the company is worth that much, they don’t buy it, and wait to see if the price comes down.

If 1 million people buy 10 shares each at $100, they each own 0.0001% of the company and the company gets their $1 Billion dollars to them spend on research/products/capital investment/CEO Bonuses, etc.

If the company then becomes worth $2 Billion dollars, those shareholders now own 0.0001% of $2 Billion instead of $1 Billion.

Or the company could fuck up and go lower in value where the shareholders will lose value.

Madison_rogue,
Madison_rogue avatar

IPOs are typically a cash grab. Stock is offered for purchase at a price, and usually there’s a bump in price. The first investors will sell for a profit at peak price, and then it will drop to whatever value the market decides. And that could be higher or lower than the initial price per share.

doppelgangmember, to evs in China wants its massive EV fleet to plug in and charge the power grid

Go Go Gadget Power Grid!!

partial_accumen, to evs in China wants its massive EV fleet to plug in and charge the power grid

So China is experimenting with Virtual Power Plants like Tesla is doing in Texas and California with its Powerwall Product except China wants to use the country’s EVs.

evenglow,

Not experimenting. Selling. V2G is much further along in different countries.

Battery banks are slightly different in that the primary purpose is not transportation.

partial_accumen,

Not experimenting. Selling. V2G is much further along in different countries.

The article is talking about only 50 cars in this experiment. If you have a source that shows they’re farther along and actually commercializing this, I’m interested in seeing it.

evenglow,

I’d call it more than an experiment. I’m not aware of any such thing in USA but there’s a few in China. There is one community in Florida though that is trying off grid. Not sure where they are these days.

edition.cnn.com/2022/10/02/us/…/index.html

Alibaba search :
www.alibaba.com/trade/search?spm=a2700.galleryoff…

1st random result :
alibaba.com/…/V2G-V2H-bidirectional-wallbox-7kW-1…

Related,
China’s New Solar Test Is Finding Enough Grid Space for Rooftop Panels
archive.is/mHAvm#selection-5205.0-5209.60

And this article is from 2023.08.22. Self-consumption V2G system launched for Chinese national park
smart-energy.com/…/self-consumption-v2g-system-la…

I’ll have to see if I can find more. It’s been awhile since I looked into V2G.

partial_accumen,

I looked at your links and I’m not sure which point you’re trying make.

My comment was specifically about 3 things combined together: China, Virtual Power Plant, and V2G

None of your links point to all 3 happening together like the OPs article (which is why this is new and interesting).

Your links:

evenglow,

You didn’t ask me to make a point.

partial_accumen,

You are refuting my point that the 50 cars is an experiment at this point. I’m asking you to back up your claim with information that says that China is much farther along beyond a single experiment of 50 cars of Virtual Power Plant and V2G.

That is the point I asked you to make because you said my point was incorrect or at least inaccurate.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Tesla uses EVs also.

threelonmusketeers,

Can Teslas do V2G? I thought they weren’t set up to do that.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

No but they can turn on/off or speed up/slow down charging as necessary.

CeeBee, to evs in China wants its massive EV fleet to plug in and charge the power grid

They need to have the actual EVs though. Not build them, sell them to a car rental company owned by the EV maker, and then tear them down by said rental company, then collect subsidies from the government.

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