Thou shalt not show up to church just to eat all the Jeez-Its and drink all the wine, then awkwardly leave after drunkenly asking the pastor’s daughter if she wants to bang in the belfry
Cause they are Putin’s Pooh Stains. He (& by his shitting out/spoon feeding marching orders, they) want to dismantle democracy.
His offense budget (~40k/year per social media troll (how many does he employ?)) does wonders against our defense budget (IDK how many hundreds of billions, but random memory says mid 7s).
It’s technically not against the Constitution. The First Amendment prevents the government from creating or establishing a religion, and thereby prevents the power of the government from expanding beyond civil matters.
SCOTUS further restricted religious public education by ruling against religion in public curriculum in Engel v. Vitale in 1962.
Having religious text on display without induction into the curriculum is legal. Only now that they’ve mandated one religion, other religions have a platform for equal representation. Maybe it’s time for The Satanic Temple to open a Louisiana congregation?
Lol no. And SCOTUS has said no several times. There is no, “oops I left my Bible out and accidentally converted some kids” carve out for government employees. Religion stays at the door.
SCOTUS has ruled against it in curriculum, but separation of church and state is from one of Johnson’s speeches, and not technically in the Constitution. I wish it were. My point wasn’t implying defense of the display. I don’t want it in schools either. I’m simply saying if they want to play by the rules of Originalism, then all churches deserve equal representation according to the Constitution.
Do you have a link to that case ruling? I’d like to be up to date. I’m familiar with Engel v. Vitale, but that is exclusive to curriculum teaching. It does not apply to religious works on display.
Welp…I was gonna visit NOLA one more time before moving from Texas to Oregon this summer and leaving the Deep South once and for all. But, as a public school teacher, I have to say this is completely and utterly monkeyfucked, and Louisiana isn’t getting a thin-ass dime from me.
Samesies. I was going to stop in NOLA one last time and enjoy myself there while moving from Texas to Rhode Island this summer and leaving the Deep South once and for all.
Only I’m not a teacher. Good luck with your move! And working in a much better public education system. What Abbott has been doing to our schools is insane.
Few years ago Texas required ‘In God we Trust’ signs to be displayed in classrooms. Schools weren’t allowed to pay for them, so basically donated. They conveniently rejected the signs that had a rainbow on it, or the one written in Arabic.
That is an extremely narrow view of the First Amendment that goes against over two centuries of judicial precedent. Only a Clarence Thomas-level originalist would make such an argument.
“the Pledge of Allegiance does not violate the rights of those who don’t believe in God and does not have to be removed from the patriotic message”
“As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.”
Nah, that’s a bullshit excuse for religious indoctrination.
Now, will you admit you were incorrect about the pledge of allegiance being mandatory in schools?
No. If the pledge must be taught in school and some individual students can opt out of repeating that indoctrination, doesn’t mean that the pledge itself is not mandatory subject in school. I did not write that all students must recite it.
All your “ceremonial deism” reference proves is that there is a giant loophole for the federal government to indoctrinate on religion and not just state and lower levels.
This is also not a requirement. I’m just going to stop talking to you. Virtually everything you have said so far has not been true and you won’t even acknowledge any of it.
Now you’re understanding what “don’t feed the trolls” means. Communication with this type of brain damaged moron is a pointless waste of time and energy
Not if the 14th amendment has anything to say about it. The incorporation doctrine of the 14th amendment applies the first 10 amendments to the state level as well.
Everson v. Board of Education … was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court that applied the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to state law.
There are so many cases of promoting Christianity by the US government, a few cherrypicked cases of “trouble” doesn’t disprove any of this.
“As a matter of historical tradition, the words ‘under God’ can no more be expunged from the national consciousness than the words ‘In God We Trust’ from every coin in the land, than the words ‘so help me God’ from every presidential oath since 1789, or than the prayer that has opened every congressional session of legislative business since 1787.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_…
“The purpose is not solely religious,” Sen. Jay Morris, R-West Monroe, told the Senate. Rather, it is the Ten Commandments’ "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”
Only two of them are actually law: Thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not steal.
This is all about religion, and they’re going to get away with it. We’d be better off if our legal codes were based on the seven tenets instead.
All the time, and especially for cops. (It’s called ‘qualified immunity’ and ‘civil forfeiture’ instead of murdering and stealing, but it’s the same thing.)
Religious people just love indoctrinating children. It’s their whole thing. Get them while they’re young and dumb and won’t realize it’s all just make believe bullshit.
Religion, much like many idealogical groups, gives an easy place for assholes to find confirmation of their own shit ideas, and a shield of “righteousness” and “I’m doing it for their own good” to hide behind lest the dying gasps of their withered conscience interrupt them.
There’s plenty of secular belief systems along these lines as well. Many racist groups like skinheads, neonazis, and the KKK spread through indoctrination of children (parents passing beliefs to children) and appeals to young people as “the solution” for the confusion and isolation they feel growing up.
I’m Christian, I feel that the ten commandments are some of the best secular life advice the bible has to offer, and this mess is complete and utter unmitigated bullshit.
No if ands or buts, whoever was involved in this clown show of a law deserves to be instantly stripped of any governmental or education system titles or powers and banned from holding any position of power for life.
Any religion, belief system, or idealogical concept worth anything should be capable of standing up on it’s own.
I’m Christian, I feel that the ten commandments are some of the best secular life advice the bible has to offer, and this mess is complete and utter unmitigated bullshit.
Not to start an argument, but I just can’t understand how you think it’s a fit guide for secular life. Half of the commandments are explicitly religious, and the other half are basic common sense laws that are already encompassed by the Golden Rule that many cultures and religions came up with independently (including the Abrahamic ones elsewhere in their religious texts).
But, to go into more detail (and using the full text, not the abbreviated versions that make it look kinder):
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me.
Standard monotheism, nothing to say here. It’d be weird if it weren’t here, and it’s better than most declarations in that it only applies to that religion’s adherents and doesn’t explicitly deny the existence of other gods (a note: IIRC the golden calf was created through a miracle and nobody acted as though that was weird, but I’d like if someone more scholarly could chime in).
You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Funny how the first set of tablets was destroyed when Moses discovered his people losing faith and worshipping an idol, and the replacements he made contained a law specifically against that very uncommon occurrence. Surely that law was in the original tablets as well and not just added as a reaction to those events…
As for the second half, I don’t know how anyone could read this, considered the most literal word of god in their religion, and say it’s a good basis for morality. Punishing innocent children for their ancestors’ actions or beliefs is straight up evil.
It also explicitly states that his love is conditional, something that strongly conflicts with the main modern offshoots of the religion.
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
Weird how the only commandments specifying something is unforgivable are for things that bruise their deity’s ego, but then again the OT god was an incredibly petty tyrant.
Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
I’ve never really looked into the Sabbath so I’m not going to touch this one. I am mildly annoyed that the justification for their rest day is yet another ego-stroking thing instead of something for the benefit of the people. Imagine how much better things might be if several large religions stressed the importance of breaks for reasons of physical and mental health.
Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Anyone who had abusive, neglectful, or narcissistic parents could tell you the problem with this one, but I can’t fault an insular, patriarchal religion from several millennia ago for trying to keep families together during an especially trying period when thoughts of desertion must have been common.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
These are the only ones I have zero problem with. They are also exactly what you’d expect someone to set as law when leading a bunch of people, especially if problems are starting to crop up due to low morale.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Note that all examples here were considered property (morality rules get a pass for things like slavery and owning your wife if they’re old enough) so this is technically a repeat of the law against stealing. Or, since it states that coveting is forbidden, it would cover stealing and be an example of thoughtcrime.
But actually following Jesus’ teaching would be way too progressive. As far as I remember he was basically a hippie, advocating for love, helping each other out and the poor, and strongly against hate and capitalism. And he didn’t quite like the old traditions. So I think as a christian as of today you definitely need some counterbalance and some other book to point at to defend your conservatism, egoistcal behaviour and hate towards people who aren’t 100% like yourself.
Yeah but that doesn’t let us demonize minorities so we can radicalize the population into voting against their own interests for the benefit of the oligarchyyyyyy
I hate when people do things like demonize minorities.
Just the other day I saw a member of $ethnicgroup helping someone they hardly knew. If even a member of $ethnicgroup could do that how much better the rest of us should act.
Another time this woman of $ethnicgroup came to someone and begged for their child’s life. That someone said they were only here for his group not people of $ethnicgroup. So the woman groveled at his feet and called herself $ethnicslur until the man agreed to help.
Jesus: I came not to enforce the law, but to fulfill it.
Paul: Well, what he AKSTUALLY meant is blah blah ceremonial law vs moral law blah blah sex is yucky, I mean sinful!
I mean, it’s more complex than that, but Paul wrote like he understood the necessity of reproduction, but didn’t really comprehend what sexual urges actually feel like. He also wrote such long rambling sentences that he makes Charles Dickens look concise and clear.
Matthew was just trying to repair the damage to James, very likely.
Paul: OT is gone except the parts I like
James: OT is still there even oral parts drifting around it.
A huge difference in how the religion should be practiced.
Now if you were a writer 5 decades later and needed to redeem the image of James, while still showing that he was wrong, this could be a good way to do it. It wasn’t that James was super wrong, he just misunderstood something Jesus said at one point. Could happen to anyone.
Name and shame the religious extremist who passed this and ban them from office
Ask them how they’d feel about requiring children to wear hijabs and all of the sudden they’ll understand how everyone feels about their fascist laws lol
A Zionist New Orleans City Council staff member’s home was vandalized Thursday night with blood red paint
FTFY
I see we still have trouble keeping Zionist and Jewish apart. While I don’t deny anti-semitism is a thing, there was a fucking Israeli flag.
If there’s one reason why this person got “blood” smeared all over their house, it’s because they clearly support genocide. That has nothing to do with their religion. Unlike what Israel wants you to believe.
Us jews don’t really have a universal symbol of our faith. Israeli flag doesn’t automatically equal zionism in my mind. It’s a bit different now, but especially when I was growing up, all my peers and I viewed said flag the same way we view the cross. At the very least, it shouldn’t be an invitation for property damage.
The topic is highly nuanced. I know this is lost on almost everyone. I fear I’ll be mistaken as a zionist for expressing any viewpoint that isn’t aggressively one-sided, so let me state explicitly: I am strongly against Israel.
The vandalism has to fucking stop though. I paint over multiple swastikas and maliciously-drawn stars of David on a daily fucking basis. I have probably painted over 100 such instances since this shit popped off. It feels a lot like a threat at this point. I covered 2 swastikas and 4 stars of david YESTERDAY. I don’t feel safe in my city cause of this shit.
I just wanted to say thank you for this. It shouldn’t ever be an invitation for violence, the topic is far from being black-or-white and I’m sorry you feel threatened daily by, for lack of a better term, the ignorant.
all my peers and I viewed said flag the same way we view the cross
That's seems like a you problem for considering a symbol of genocide (which the Israeli flag has always been) to be a symbol of your faith. The Israeli flag is a socially acceptable Swastika.
Can you blame us for latching onto a symbol in our youth, before we are old enough to form any political opinions or even understand the situation? There is a reason I don’t fly an israeli flag, that’s because I know what it means to you.
What you’re describing is clear anti-semitism and it’s horrible you have to experience that. I’m sorry you see this regularly and don’t feel safe.
What’s different in this case though is flying a flag of a country actively committing a genocide and being surprised people have an issue with that (not saying here I agree or disagree with the action, what I think is not relevant). The issue is not them being Jewish. The issue is them supporting a rogue country.
What is the point of flying a flag if not to show support? It’s like tattooing a swastika on your face and being surprised people mistake you for a nazi.
Israeli flag doesn’t automatically equal zionism in my mind.
It does not matter what you and your friends think. Israeli flag is symbol of genocide now. Israeli government stained Jewish people with this shit so y'all better find a way to distance yourself because tolerance for Israel has been exhausted and going forward Israel will be associated with war crimes. US government enabling it despite current news covering it their criminal behavior in real time will also have to cope with this attitude changes. No money to send shit to Ukraine but can always make a back room deal for Israel... Sure buddy.
I hope Gaza was worth it losing all that good will over.
Never again but this one more time for the gods chosen people because holocaust...🤡🤡🤡
My guy, us jews never had good will with anyone. We have always been used as tokens for politican leverage. Our tendency to form insular communities and be secretive is a survival strategy selected for by the extensive history of governments using us as a lever and then disposing of us once we are no longer useful.
Also, you write as if you think I support Israel, as if I have some personal stake in the success of this genocide when I explicitly stated I’m against it. To be quite honest, it comes off as anti-semitic when you clearly have a deep well of anger and you’re just waiting to unload on the first jew you see. I’ll say it again, I am strictly anti-Israel. Do you think you’re saying anything to me that I haven’t already heard a thousand times? Do you think that I don’t already agree with you? Guess what… I do agree with you, but I don’t agree with your strategy of lobbing anger at anyone who doesn’t have their mind shut to the nuance of the situation. I wish you would take a step back and think about what’s driving you to act this way. I don’t think that you think you’re spreading awareness here, changing people’s minds, or anything of that sort. Dopamine-seeking political vitriol is harmful for society. The people who really call the shots when it comes to this shit have weaponized social disconnectivity against us and when you let loose like this, you are playing directly into their hand.
Then my point still stands. You can view israeli flag however you want. It got a new meaning now in the mainstream and it is pretty fucking disgusting.
Yet people think it is acceptable to fly it as some sort of pride shit. Jfc. Get a fucking clue, adjust to current reality.
Sure, but you’ve missed my point entirely. It shouldn’t be an invitation for crime. Nor should any other flag besides those regarding situations devoid of nuance, such as the nazi flag or perhaps the confederate flag.
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