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1stTime4MeInMCU, to movies in Why Deleting and Destroying Finished Movies Like Coyote vs Acme Should Be a Crime | MZS | Roger Ebert

Just don’t let studios take the tax write off and this is all fixed

flumph,
@flumph@programming.dev avatar

Yeah it’s a scam. They’ll claim they lost all the money that went into making the movie because no one would buy it for the price they wanted. If they’d sold it for the highest offer, they’d have lost less.

How is that any different than burning down my own building and claiming it as a loss in my taxes?

wizardbeard,
@wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No, you put your building up for sale at an absurd amount, then when nobody is willing to pay you what you want for it, then you burn it down!

Totally different and completely sane.

rdyoung,

I’ve seen others suggest that it gets surrendered to the public domain if they take the deduction. I’d be fine with that.

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Wouldn't that also put the characters into public domain like Wile E Coyote? I can't imagine they'd do that for a tax write-off.

chaogomu,

It wouldn't necessarily.

Basically, you'd say that this one work is copyright free, but any characters appearing in it would still have copyright under other works.

The practical effect is that you'd be able to download this movie, watch it, share it, cut up bits and pieces and use them elsewhere, but any original works based on the characters would not be allowed due to those characters still being covered from other works.

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

Well that would be different from how it works with Mickey Mouse and Sherlock Holmes, in both of those examples, some works involving the character are public domain and others are still under copyright. As such, people can do their own versions of Mickey mouse as long as it's the steamboat Willie version of Mickey mouse but not Mickey mouse from more recent works. People can write their own versions of Sherlock Holmes stories as long as they don't have the characteristics of Sherlock Holmes in later novels.

I suspect the same would apply to Wile E. Coyote if this film went into the public domain, people could use the character as long as it's the version of the character from this movie and not the version from the '60s cartoons.

Dieterlan,

I think that only applies if you can make an argument that the two characters are distinct. Your Mickey/Steamboat Willie example is good because they are distinct (slightly different looks, and different names). Another good example is Sherlock Holmes. There was a big lawsuit where the current rights holders tried to argue that the later works are still under copyright just because Sherlock has emotions, and he didn’t in the earlier stories. I don’t remember how the suit turned out though.

MrMcGasion,

There was a weird situation with the movie “It’s a Wonderful Life” where the copyright to the movie lapsed into the public domain due to someone forgetting to renew it (when that was a thing), but the story, and characters were still protected. It was basically decided that the still frames were public domain, but since they became story in movie form, not just anyone could legally sell copies of the movie.

LanternEverywhere,

I don't think so, the character wouldn't be public domain, just the exact specific movie. So anyone could screen the movie, but people couldn't make new works based on those characters.

Duamerthrax,

No, just that one piece. Really, maybe there could be a second class of Public Domain where it free to share, but nobody can charge for a showing or access to.

Lojcs,

But they could still take the tax write off if it doesn’t sell, and they miss the chance it might

This feels like money laundering or something to me

admiralteal,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

It's not JUST money laundering. It's also monopolistic practices, vertical and horizontal integration, regular-old fraud, and a healthy sprinkle of antilabor activities. The entire industry is wretched.

BillDaCatt,
BillDaCatt avatar

My first thought was anti-labor.

GeneralEmergency,

How do you differentiate between “Scam” movies and movies that fall apart for legitimate reasons?

admiralteal,

There's a great documentary on exactly this called The Producers.

Bonehead, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

I just want to go back to a time when shows built in pause moments for commercial breaks. Watching a video get cut off mid sentence in the middle of an intense scene to be told about how I can send money worldwide just kinda kills the mood.

SaintWacko,

Or when you’re watching an old show that has those pause moments… but they don’t use them and just break whenever

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Now that you mention it…Very noticeable with older animation content.

Anticorp,

“Did you know you can save…”

Fuck off and die!

ophelia, to moviesandtv in Asteroid City movie review (2023) | Roger Ebert

Sometimes I feel like the only person who doesn’t like Wes Anderson movies. I don’t understand it at all. Isle of Dogs was the only one I liked, but that one kind of goes against his typical style. I’ve otherwise watched Royal Tenenbaums, Darjeeling Limited, and Life Aquatic just to try and understand it and I didn’t like any of them (I don’t think I made it more than halfway through any of them). What am I missing and why does everyone love these movies? (This is a question in good faith, I genuinely want to know because I don’t get it)

lolcatnip,

Lots of people hate Wes Anderson movies. I’d feel a lot more neutral about them if I didn’t occasionally get suckered into watching one without realizing it’s a Was Anderson movie until it’s too late to back out.

cantstopthesignal,

Imagine that having a plot and an emotionally relatable script are unimportant. And now imagine that costumes, quirky characters, and gorgeous set design are the most important part of a movie, at the expense of everything else. Some people don’t care about writing. There are several cottage industries in film and television that cater to them. Wes Anderson makes 90-120 minute visually stunning soap operas.

ShroOmeric,

Steve Zissou is a soap opera?
God I wish all soap operas were like that.

Ashyr,

I’ll take a swing at answering.

Have you ever spent time at an art gallery or museum of art, just soaking in the beauty?

To me, Wes Anderson films are like a guided tour through an art gallery, nearly every shot is gorgeous and I just want to sit and take it all in.

The people in the films, however, serve as sort of a juxtaposition to the visual delight. They are often small-minded, petty and otherwise broken. Even there, however, there is beauty as they search for, and occasionally find, redemption.

The long shots, the unblinking examinations of scenery and actors, the abnormal pacing create an indulgent experience that invite you to revel in the experience and examine the beauty and brokenness in the world around you.

cantstopthesignal,

I feel like you could watch his movies on mute and get the same effect

kale,

Like umami’s “Interface” series. It’s almost a plot. It’s definitely got it’s own unique, creepy style. I like watching the series occasionally but I don’t know why.

ophelia,

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  • Ashyr,

    That’s how I enjoy them, yes. I have no idea about authorial intent, but I certainly wouldn’t treat them like a second screen experience.

    ophelia,

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  • Ashyr,

    Oh no, I’m hardly an expert. I think Royal Tennenbaums is my favorite as it was the first one I ever saw.

    The Grand Budapest Hotel is perhaps considered one of his better films, but I don’t know that it worked as well for me as some of the other ones. It was beautiful though.

    If you do give it another try, let me know how it goes and what you think. It may not be for you though and that’s okay. Art is very subjective and there’s probably a huge array of factors that come together to make these films work for me.

    kale,

    As a non-sophisticated film watcher, I think The Grand Budapest Hotel is really approachable. It has a plot, a lot of the humor is easy to grasp. Narrative structure is mostly easy to follow.

    Turkey_Titty_city,

    the entire thing is stylized. not sure what your criteria is, but wes anderson is not aiming for realism.

    HobbitFoot,
    TheyHaveNoName,

    You’re not alone. I loved Bottle Rocket, because it’s a silly comedy with good acting and a silly story line. As he has progressed as a director, I cannot actually sit through is movies. For me it’s like being in an art gallery, and having people tell me why the paintings are amazing and stylish, and me wishing I was in a different art gallery. I’m an absolute fan of movies, be they made in Hollywood, Asia, Europe or the Middle East, but Wes Anderson is a director I just can’t get through the movies of.

    mindbleach, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    The excuse was always ‘but how will they make money?’

    It was always a distraction. There is no such thing as enough money, for these bastards. You could pay exorbitant fees, per-show, per-minute, and they’d still drool over taking your money and selling your eyeballs.

    maynarkh, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    It’s everywhere now, that word. “Content.” Even some artists have surrendered and now use the language of the oppressor.

    It’s something I’ve noticed a while ago, it’s just so awful. It degenerates pieces of art into monetary value. It’s depressing.

    sexy_peach, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    I am not going to watch either

    spez_, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    Jellyseerr

    Jellyfin Sonarr Radarr Jackett Transmission

    There’s your streaming service

    Squizzy,

    Explain these things please

    spez_,

    It’s quite full-on for someone who’s never heard of these.

    Think of these services like an ecosystem, each supporting each other.

    I’ll start with Jellyfin and Jellyseerr, as this is what most people will want to interact with, and what your family would feel comfortable using.

    • Jellyfin is where you can watch movies and shows, on mobile, web or on the TV. This is essentially the streaming client.
    • Jellyseerr is where you can search through all of the movies and shows on the internet, and you can also request them with a click of a button. Once requested, they get downloaded and added to Jellyfin automatically.

    Now, for the parts which are more technical, and what your family will not want to see or use.

    • Sonarr is linked up with Jellyseerr, torrent indexers, and the torrent client, to enable it to query for relevant show torrents. Essentially it takes away the manual work of finding a torrent, downloading it, moving it into the directory where Jellyfin can recognise it. It’s an automation tool
    • Radarr is the same, just for movies and not shows.
    • Jackett is where you add your private or public torrent indexers. It provides a standard API of which Sonarr and Radarr can use to query for torrents. You may need another service to get through CloudFlare CAPTCHAs, but I forgot its name.
    • Transmission is a torrent client. You don’t specifically need this one, but it’s lightweight and does the job
    state_electrician, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    I just canceled Prime because they started with the ads. It was the last streaming service I was paying for. Now I am sharing Disney+ until they crack down on that and then I’m done with their shit. I already read 12 books this year, so there’s that. And if I get bored, I guess I’ll pick up sailing again, like in the olden days. 🏴‍☠️

    Lemonparty,

    Sailing has honestly never been easier. Welcome back to the seas!

    Anticorp,

    You’re paying for prime video? It comes free with their prime shipping service. I’ve never paid for their streaming. The shipping service is too valuable not to use, and the video shit is just a cherry on top. Prime shipping pays for itself within a half dozen orders.

    JustUseMint,

    Recently, Amazon prime made a change. Prime video was included with Prime membership, ad free, for quite a while. Now, it has ads, UNLESS you pay something like an additional $5 a month. This occurred within the last 6-12 months now.

    www.usatoday.com/story/…/72323206007/

    Anticorp,

    Right, but they said they cancelled because they started including ads. I’m confused why someone would cancel their prime shipping program over ads on a video service that was included as a bonus. Just stop watching the platform and keep your free shipping.

    state_electrician,

    I paid Prime because Video was included. Just the shipping isn’t worth the monthly fee to me.

    CybertoothTiger,

    It’s not free shipping, you’re paying $140/year. Worth it to some, but if you don’t order much it’s worth cancelling to cut costs.

    Anticorp,

    True. It also covers the cost of returns too though, which can be very valuable if you order online a lot. Like you said though, it’s probably not worth much to people who don’t frequently order online through Amazon.

    tias,

    Way I see it, it’s the other way around. I would never pay for the shipping service, but since it’s included in the streaming subscription I guess I’ll take it. I don’t order from Amazon unless there’s absolutely no alternative.

    Anticorp,

    Makes sense. I use their free shipping and returns constantly throughout the year, so the shipping is very much worth the expense for me.

    sadreality, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    There is an ad free solution for those brave enough to sail the high seas...

    These idiots seem to forget that media is not a shelter or food so their extraction tactics have natural limits... ARR

    kebabslob, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    Yep, but ad least ad block will work on them! Can’t do that w/ cable

    admiralteal, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    The most noxious ones are the ads for the platform you are served by the platform when using the platform.

    Paramount+ plays almost 90s of ads, sometimes ads for the exact show you are about to watch, any time you hit go. That's just heinous.

    Still better than the Peacock app though, for which the sound randomly cuts out for a few seconds every minute or two on a device as uncommon and odd as... a Chromecast.

    xyzzy,

    Paramount used to show no ads whatsoever for their no-ads plan, but now they show an ad at the beginning for another show. For the longest time it was unskippable, but at least now these can be skipped.

    Hulu does the same thing. No ads should mean NO ads!

    Anticorp,

    These companies think ads are the best thing in the world. They can’t imagine a world without them. That’s evidenced by what that other person just said, them showing you a generic Paramount ad while you’re watching a video on your paid Paramount subscription. Just fuck off, you clueless bitches!

    Mesophar,

    That was when I dropped Hulu. If I’m already paying, I’m not going to sit through ads as well.

    poweruser,

    YouTube does this on paid content. I bought It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia but it has ads for other FX shows (Mayans, Cake, Sons of Anarchy) baked in to the first 30 seconds and last 60 seconds of some episodes.

    It also has a teaser that is the last item in each season’s playlist, which is an ad for the season you just watched :/

    rgb3x3, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    This guy’s first problem is watching movies on his cable provider’s on-demand service. On-demand has been crap since its inception.

    And then:

    We are now at the point in the history of show business where a bad experience is free and a decent one costs extra.

    This is literally how it’s always been. And this the crux of this dude’s issues. He’s not willing to pay for content and is using freeware and crapware to watch movies. You can’t complain about a bad service if you’re not paying for it.

    He wants the solution? Ditch cable, buy movies and TV shows or pay for streaming services without ads. It’s really that simple.

    Itsamelemmy,

    We are now at the point in the history of show business where a bad experience is free and a decent one costs extra.

    Except that’s not the case. *arrs and plex(probably jellyfin as well, haven’t tried it) is a vastly superior user experience than most of the streaming apps. So the good experience is free and the bad experience costs money.

    ji59,

    I would say streaming services are worse then sailing these days, shitty quality, unusable offline play,... And buying movies isn't easy too, unless you want to buy BluRay discs most of online places will only lend you a licence to watch the content until they decide to remove it, viz Sony.

    Nougat,

    Yo ho ho

    rgb3x3,

    Or yes, sail the high seas

    devilish666, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    In the end streaming service became like the old days when we watch TV but worse

    devilish666,

    But the good news is now we can block ads although it’s hard to setup at first especially if you want routing all network in your home
    For laptop, pc, or smartphone it’s easy…just install ublock (for browser) or Adguard (for whole protection)

    xyzzy,

    I built a DNS proxy that filters all third-party ads, but ads for the same service (e.g. Paramount advertising its own shows) are hosted by that service, meaning they get through.

    KnightontheSun,

    Pi-hole?

    pacmondo,

    Pi-Hole is a local dns proxy that filters ads. It’s exactly what was described above, and doesn’t work for ads hosted on the service you want the content from. If you block those ads, you lose the content.

    KnightontheSun,

    I’m aware. I have two. I was asking if that’s what they built or if it was something else.

    xyzzy,

    Yep, it was Pi-hole!

    TORFdot0,

    Thats not exactly good news, it’s still a cat and mouse game but thankfully the ad block devs are more motivated than the streaming providers currently.

    moody,

    Worse? Clearly you don’t remember the days when if you got home at 6:15, you would miss half of your show. Or the days where the only option if you wanted a specific channel was to subscribe to an expensive bundle that included 8 other channels you didn’t want.

    Advertising has gotten so much worse, but everything being on-demand is miles better than what we used to have.

    Rai,

    Never dealt with missing shows, as I learned how to set my VCR to timer record when I was like nine

    SomeKindaName,

    Ah, kids and their fancy new VCRs. Back in my day you had to be on time and make the kids wiggle the rabbit ears just right.

    Bonesince1997, to moviesandtv in Streaming Ads Are So Much Worse Than Traditional Ad Breaks

    If you aren’t diligent about hitting that skip button be prepared for the worst. Not to mention the frequency increases.

    southsamurai, to movies in Spaceman movie review & film summary (2024) | Roger Ebert
    @southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Damn, a review that actually makes me want to see a movie. That’s pretty bloody rare for me

    livus,
    livus avatar

    @southsamurai yes, have to admit this has sold me on it too.

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