The articel # Pixelfed is just issued in german language in german #wikipedia. The articel #hubzilla will follow in a few days.
As #wikipedia is an open system, like #fediverse, feel free to correct the articel and/or translate in other languages. Try to write not nerdy. As mentioned basic internet users will go first step to Wikipedia for information about the #fediverse
Have a nice #weekend!
@pixelfed Wikipedia's rules for "notability" are ludicrous. A project like Pixelfed will be deemed by some self-important twit as "not notable" while there's 15,000 pages of information on a background character in a video game…
Technically you can appeal this, but thatt involves a bureaucratic war with people who can cite every obscure Wikipedia rule from memory. You basically need to find one of those who's on your side to win.
@pixelfed
> Our Wikipedia page is at risk of being deleted because it may not meet notability guidelines
F*%king deletionists. We had the same problem with the fediverse article when it was created. I once had to recreate the article for Tara Hernandez after it was deleted;
@pixelfed That’s absurd. It’s more than notable enough. They are typically more specific about what the article needs. Sounds like someone doesn’t like Pixelfed. Have you pursued all the standard dispute protocols already?
@strypey@pixelfed yes. those are who i mean, summing them up as “wikipedia” same as peoole usually do vs “the specific volunteers involved in deciding to include/leave out a specific thing at the current time.” 🤷🏼♀️
@iquaanyin
> summing them up as “wikipedia” same as peoole usually do vs “the specific volunteers involved in deciding to include/leave out a specific thing at the current time.”
You're sneaking in a separation between "Wikipedia" and us that isn't meaningful. Anyone involved in this thread is part of the "Wikipedia" whose decision you say it should be.
@strypey oh, forgot to add that i dont agree than i, just by being in this thread, am actually part of wikipedia’s process. but maybe there’s something i dont know. i’m for sure no expert on this. lord knows.
@iquaanyin
> that i dont agree that i, just by being in this thread, am actually part of wikipedia’s process. but maybe there’s something i dont know
I've been editing Wikipedia on and off since it started. I remember what it was like before there were even user accounts ; ) I can assure you that any discussion about improving WP articles is part of its process.
You're right though that the more one edits WP, the more one learns about its processes, policies, community norms, etc.
@strypey also also 😜 if i were deciding those sorts of things, id lean toward inclusion for up and coming things, esp those that are beneficial to culture (ie, favor openness rather than locking down). one day i might be moved to volunteer, who knows.
@iquaanyin
> if i were deciding those sorts of things, id lean toward inclusion for up and coming things, esp those that are beneficial to culture
Ae, that's what I was getting at when I contrasted iron fist and helping hand. We don't want startups using WP for free advertising. But PixelFed is a Free Code project, not a company, so while it's fine to flag issues with article as it stands (establishing notability, written as promotion etc), it's overzealous IMHO to flag it for deletion.
@strypey@pixelfed i guess i take “get some help here” to mean “apply some pressure to the wikipedia volunteers.” i read their criteria for notability a couple years ago. it surprised me a bit. i jon’s a couple folks in it so was curious.
@strypey@pixelfed thanks. that clarified it for me. 👍 and yeah, people get overzealous sometimes. none of that stuff is cut and dried. i’m a retired copy editor and you’re always seeing edge cases and making calls, i’m sure it’s even more so for wikipedia.
@iquaanyin
> i’m a retired copy editor and you’re always seeing edge cases and making calls, i’m sure it’s even more so for wikipedia
For sure. I'm reminded of the Mitchell and Webb skit about the proofreader desperate for work, who gets a job at a porn mag. From which I learnt when to use "and me" vs. "and I" ; )
This doesn't solve the problem and is liable to escalate the situation. Wikipedia editing is primarily a social process, so technical fixes - like just removing a tag you disagree with - don't usually work in the long run. It's more effective to engage with the volunteer who added the tag about their concerns, than to risk starting an edit war by arbitrarily removing it.
What does "notability" mean exactly wikipedia is meant to be a user encyclopedia covering all manner of topics from international stuff to local clubs etc surely.
@zleap
For a company or organization Notability heavily relies on,
"significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."
@pixelfed The notability tag has to be removed manually -- it won't ever get removed automatically. I have no clue whether it'll be reverted, but that many independent and reliable references whose subject is not Pixelfed, clearly shows its notability, so I removed it.
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