jon,
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Welcome to Autumn 2023 Day 22, 20 Oct, night train, Stuttgart - Darmstadt - Karlsruhe

Today I’m crossing these borders
Freilassing 🇩🇪 - Salzburg Taxham Europapark 🇦🇹

Map of today’s route
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-political-tour-autumn-2023_933893#7/47.927/12.030

Today’s Live Blog
https://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/live-blog-autumn-2023-day-22/

jon,
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Here’s today’s intro video - filmed in the night train approaching Stuttgart https://urbanists.video/w/15KwSDq6TMh4o2BCw96Xpy

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Autumn 2023 Train 86
IC 2374
08:55 Stuttgart Hbf - Darmstadt Hbf 10:22
DB Fernverkehr

Distance: 151km
Average speed: 104km/h

Train type: Class 101 electric, 9 carriages
⚡️
🚲: ✅ (loads of space)
🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
🛜: ⛔️ (supposed to, but it’s broken)
🍽️: ✅
🧳: 🙂 (given it’s old it’s actually pretty good)
🧽: 🙂

jon,
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And why am I going to Darmstadt? I’m meeting the people who run https://motis-project.de/

jon,
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It’s not even 10am… and this is the order ahead of me in the Bordbistro!

notsoloud,
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@jon
Hell of a selling "pint" for rail travel 😁

kennybrown131,
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@jon nothing wrong with that scene

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  • jon,
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    @Ahng multiple wrongs don’t make a right! And no I’m in Germany near Stuttgart currently.

    maartje,
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    @jon the sales of beer fund the whole german railway operations…

    FiveSeventeen,
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    @jon

    Looks remarkably like Bavarian beer, so that's no real surprise

    jon,
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    @FiveSeventeen the guys ordering had a heavy Baden (BaWü) accent though. But I think Erdinger is the only Weißbier you can get on board here.

    slothrop,
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  • jon,
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    @slothrop the other passengers near his rowdy group: not so much 😉

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  • richardstephens,
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    @kentindell @jon wait did they stop doing this?

    gazebo_c,
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    @jon oh wow😳, reminds me of my time in Bavaria

    berlinfokus,
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    @jon

    Die einzige Sache die den Manager, den Vertreter und den Arbeiter miteinander verbindet.

    ninedragons,
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    @jon

    Yeah, I know the type... 🤢

    tuxpirate,

    @jon Ein bisschen spät für Frühstück, aber grundsätzlich ok. 😉

    nlein,
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    @jon
    Wieso lässt du ihn nicht einfach in Ruhe und lässt das bewerten?

    geeeero,
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    @jon Hm, Weißwurstfrühstück ohne Weißwurst?

    somethingblue, (edited )

    @jon Yes, this country has a severe drug problem, and spends a lot of energy for denial.

    ThermiteBeGiants,
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    @jon trains are a liminal space for alcohol consumption, it’s appropriate to drink at any hour

    jon,
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    Get back to my seat after a coffee in the BordBistro and there’s a grumpy woman sat there.

    Ok, I didn’t leave something literally on the seat, but there were three bags on the rack above the seat. In those circumstances I’d ask fellow passengers if the seat were indeed free. Nothing was reserved.

    And then when I moved myself and bags to another seat she didn’t even acknowledge this.

    I still after all these years in Germany find this behaviour rather impolite.

    ScottAS2,
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    @jon You should have had your towel. ;-)

    partim,
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    @jon I think the protocol is to leave a jacket or a jumper or something on the seat.

    (I now wonder if it works if you steal a “Reserviert” sign from a restaurant and use that.)

    jon,
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    @partim I normally do that yes. But given the train was so empty I didn’t, but I find it a little odd still. And then ok, there’s confusion, but the passenger could then acknowledge the confusion.

    wrzlbrnft,
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    @partim @jon When I returned from the Netherlands by ICE a few weeks ago I found a nice suitable (window fitting!) seat. After 40 minutes some guy showed up telling me that it's his reserved seat so I had to remain at the entrance door then.

    PLEASE (!) put something on your seat showing other passengers that you're sitting there to avoid these situations!

    jon,
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    @wrzlbrnft @partim sure, I should have put something there. And I then moved, ok. And I’m only going 30 min further so no big problem. But as a passenger if there’s a doubt, ask. Try to accommodate the other person. It’s basic politeness.

    wrzlbrnft,
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    @jon Of course you're right. As an autistic person I often don't have the nerve in these situations so I just pack up my stuff and give up the seat, mostly annoyed (nothing personal, but I often have difficulties to control myself then until I cooled down again).
    So, clearly visible signals are always a welcome help. 😅 @partim

    partim,
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    @jon @wrzlbrnft Not saying you are wrong, but politeness is a cultural thing. In certain parts of Germany,* starting to talk to strangers is considered impolite.

    • Like, the one I am from. I still have a hard time with it in German but am totally okay in English. The brain is a funny thing.
    jon,
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    @partim @wrzlbrnft I can be a pain German too when I have to. I’d just rather not have to 😉

    partim,
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    @wrzlbrnft @jon The East German kursbuch actually listed the rule “mark it or loose it” (and explained in detail what qualified as marked) in its travel information section. Since back then you always travelled with a kursbuch, this came in handy to end any possible discussion.

    leonid,
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    @jon I would say the seat is already occupied. And probably in most cases the person would leave.

    jon,
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    @leonid I’m only going 30 mins further and didn’t want to cause a fuss. But just generally acknowledging the other person’s point is a decent start.

    achisto,

    @jon I've once had someone remove my bag from my seat in a crowded ICE while I was on the toilet. I didn't have the seat reserved, sure, but I was there first. I didn't want to make a scene so I just moved and sat next to the doors for the rest of my trip.

    holgintheair,
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    @jon Two days ago in a rather full ICE to Berlin a woman sitting in my reserved seat.

    • Excuse me, I have a reservation for this seat.
    • Yeah I know. My reservation is a row behind but the footrest isn’t working, so I moved ahead.
    jon,
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    Autumn 2023 Train 87
    ICE 1577
    13:37 Darmstadt Hbf - Karlsruhe Hbf 14:50
    DB Fernverkehr

    Distance: 113km
    Average speed: 93km/h

    Train type: ICE-T 7 carriages
    ⚡️
    🚲: ✅ (needs reservation)
    🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
    🛜: ❓ (there is, but patchy)
    🍽️: ✅
    🧳: 🤔 (not the best ICE design)
    🧽: 🙂

    jon,
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    MrClon,
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    @jon thanks for reminder open bottle

    siegeavecvue,
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    @jon Breakfast of champions.

    dennisnigbur,

    @jon Maybe they're going on holiday? A beer is the classic after-work drink in Germany (you may know "Kein Bier vor vier"), so I know people who start their holiday journey with a beer regardless of the time. And they evidently aren't driving! 👍

    sburall,
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    @jon Getting those back to his seat will test his skills to the limit. I can't imagine any UK train company buffet serving drinks in glass

    MadeyeTheCarnaptious,
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    @jon

    In Russia, "liquid bread" is considered a good breakfast....

    pteranodo,
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    @jon Germany: only one kind of beer, and it’s perfect

    oneiros,
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    @jon Alle alkoholfrei 😉

    ElBeeToots,
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    @jon Liquid breakfast. One glass of beer is the equivalent of a sandwich 😅

    wildrikku,
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    @jon so the Bordbistro is where the Junggesellenabschiede are in trains. Good god. Reminds me of my last bus trip *shudders

    HaraldKi,
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    @jon Sieht ganz klar aus wie alkoholfrei😎

    NiklasMM,
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    @jon relatable 😂

    partim,
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    @jon Oh, that’s pretty cool. Can you ask them if they have any plans to consolidate all the EU-mandated timetable sets into a single dataset?

    jon,
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    @partim Yep. That’s exactly what I want to know.

    jon,
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    @partim the answer, broadly, is yes. They’ll then license what they aggregate through their own API. Building a Europe-wide tool is technically ready to go - but finance and scaling it is an issue.

    partim,
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    @jon If they can open source the tooling – without actually offering costly services – that would already be great.

    w4tsn,
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    @jon welcome to ! If you need coffee recommendations don't hesitate to ask!

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    jon,
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    @Island_Martha hmmm. I’d never thought it wasn’t going ahead! But this is welcome news indeed re the finance.

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