marcelias,
@marcelias@mas.to avatar

Trump's campaign knows:

A vote for Robert Kennedy is a vote for Trump.
A vote for Cornel West is a vote for Trump.
A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump.
Not voting is a vote for Trump.

A vote for Biden is a vote for democracy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/10/us/politics/trump-rfk-jr-biden.html

PadreWil,
@PadreWil@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@marcelias The MORONS are coming. Will YOU be a part of electing THE DUMEST, most ARROGANT ASSHOLE in America ?!! ...... or not.

ReallyBlue2,

@GreenFire corrupt GOP only has a chance by cheating

DanaDee,
@DanaDee@mstdn.social avatar

@ReallyBlue2 @GreenFire And their supporters know this & are 100% okay with it.

mattdarveniza,
@mattdarveniza@mastodon.social avatar

@marcelias @pixel ya'll really need to get over this single-vote nonsense one of these days.

pixel,
@pixel@social.pixels.pizza avatar
ImaBMe,
@ImaBMe@mas.to avatar

@marcelias : If made by a Democrat or Independent. (Don't eff around and find out, Dems.)

But, a vote for any of those by a Republican is a vote taken AWAY from TheFuckWit. And, that's a good thing.

feld,
@feld@bikeshed.party avatar

@marcelias "not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump"

That's literally not how it works at all. Not voting for Trump is not voting for Trump.

jrefior,
@jrefior@hachyderm.io avatar

Until we have ranked choice voting everywhere, and especially for national elections, this is our reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

figstick,
@figstick@mas.to avatar

@marcelias
A vote for is a vote for .

pearlbear,
@pearlbear@social.overlappingmagisteria.org avatar

@figstick @marcelias Is Trump going to be any less genocidal?

figstick,
@figstick@mas.to avatar

@pearlbear @marcelias He's already been president and he's already been less genocidal.

Not defending Trump, don't get me wrong, but I shouldn't be able to say that about a Democratic president.

peterbutler,
@peterbutler@mas.to avatar

@figstick @pearlbear @marcelias please explain “less genocidal” and what you’re basing that on

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240306-trump-calls-on-israel-to-finish-the-problem-in-gaza-suggesting-intensification-of-genocide/

Trump administration also ordered MANY more drone strikes than Biden

Biden virtually ended the drone wars

https://theweek.com/foreign-policy/1007579/biden-nearly-ended-the-drone-war-and-nobody-noticed

figstick,
@figstick@mas.to avatar

@peterbutler @pearlbear @marcelias

That is still, by definition, less genocidal.

pearlbear,
@pearlbear@social.overlappingmagisteria.org avatar

@figstick @marcelias How is that?? Less genocidal? Do you actually think he would have made a different choice had Oct. 7 happened on his watch? He certainly was genocidal when it came to the border.

figstick,
@figstick@mas.to avatar

@pearlbear @marcelias

But Biden DID commit genocide. You can't match facts with hypotheticals.

ariaflame,
@ariaflame@masto.ai avatar

@figstick @pearlbear @marcelias No, That's Bibi. And decades of policy. So is Putin, who Trump supports. So you willing to throw Ukraine under the bus too?

figstick,
@figstick@mas.to avatar

@ariaflame @pearlbear @marcelias

Biden is trying to claim that Bibi went rogue, but he can't hide the fact that he bypassed Congress to ship billions of $$ in arms to Israel, as well as the fact that Bibi started backing down the minute Biden started talking about limiting support for Israel.

He's trying to shirk responsibility for the genocide while also doing things that could have prevented the genocide had he done them earlier. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. He's responsible.

pearlbear,
@pearlbear@social.overlappingmagisteria.org avatar

@figstick @ariaflame @marcelias I get it, but the point is, which is worse? You actually think a Trump presidency is going to be better in any way? Biden's level of responsibility for what's happening in Gaza doesn't change the overall picture of the danger of a Trump presidency.

figstick,
@figstick@mas.to avatar

@pearlbear @ariaflame @marcelias

Biden is worse.

peterbutler,
@peterbutler@mas.to avatar
Beedge,
@Beedge@mstdn.social avatar

@figstick @marcelias as is a vote for Trump.

Be very clear, a vote for Trump IS a vote for genocide.

the difference being that can be reasoned with, persuaded, enlightened.

Trump cannot.

pixplz,
@pixplz@mastodon.social avatar

@Beedge We've been trying to reason with, persuade and enlighten President Ice Cream for six months, and yet he keeps supplying Israel with the weapons to commit genocide. How is a vote for for him not also a vote for genocide?

Beedge,
@Beedge@mstdn.social avatar

@pixplz How is a vote for any other candidate not a vote for genocide?

Bidens stance is shifting. Much much too slowly, but it is shifting.

The problem with the catchy little "A vote for is a vote for ." jingle is the inference that the opposite is true. Not voting for Biden is as much, if not more of an endoresment of genocide.

jjLitke,
@jjLitke@wandering.shop avatar

@Beedge @pixplz Yes, well stated.

I’m glad on an individual level for the people who are privileged enough to make the Middle East their single issue, but I wish they were also concerned about rights in the US, particularly women and LGBTQ.

textualdeviance,
@textualdeviance@retro.pizza avatar

@jjLitke @Beedge @pixplz Yep. I notice most of them are completely silent about the murder going on at the Texas border and the mass suffering inflicted on queer and pregnant folks in red states. But doing the hard work to stop Republicans from doing this stuff doesn't let them pretend to be edgy.

Is the shit Bibi is doing awful? Yes. Is it the only awful thing in the world, or even the only awful thing happening to Muslims? Fuck, no. But crickets from that crowd on all the rest.

pixplz,
@pixplz@mastodon.social avatar

@textualdeviance @jjLitke @Beedge My queer spouse and I organized a protest that drew 1,000 people to one of ICE's headquarters. But please, go on with your nonsensical rant about how we're silent.

textualdeviance,
@textualdeviance@retro.pizza avatar

@pixplz @jjLitke @Beedge I said most. If you're not one of those, fair. But the point is that making things worse for ALL marginalized people by allowing Trump to win isn't the moral high ground you think you have.

pixplz,
@pixplz@mastodon.social avatar

@textualdeviance @jjLitke @Beedge How am I allowing Trump to win? By holding the current president accountable for his words and actions? If that somehow isn't permitted, then democracy is already dead.

Beedge,
@Beedge@mstdn.social avatar

@pixplz @textualdeviance @jjLitke "how am I allowing Trump to win"? really?

OK, by not voting for his oponent in a race his oponent needs the most votes to win.

pixplz,
@pixplz@mastodon.social avatar

@Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke Show me where I said that I won't be voting for King Daddy Biden.

Beedge,
@Beedge@mstdn.social avatar

@pixplz @textualdeviance @jjLitke In fairness you didn't use those words, but it was inferred by 'holding the current president accountable'.

GreenFire,
@GreenFire@mstdn.social avatar

@Beedge @pixplz @textualdeviance @jjLitke
They know that that by spreading lies like that they are helping to put Putin's puppet back into the White House. That's what they get paid to do.

pixplz,
@pixplz@mastodon.social avatar
pixplz,
@pixplz@mastodon.social avatar

@GreenFire @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke Also, the idea that someone's paying me to post on here is beyond ridiculous, and you should be embarassed

GreenFire,
@GreenFire@mstdn.social avatar

@pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke
Some people are promoting Putin's political technology for profit and some are just useful idiots. It's impossible to tell without substantial investigation.

pixplz,
@pixplz@mastodon.social avatar

@GreenFire @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke Have fun investigating me, I guess

GreenFire,
@GreenFire@mstdn.social avatar

@pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke
I'm not going to since it's not worth the trouble which is why it's appropriate for everyone to assume that the people that are posting crap intended to help Putin and his allies are just paid to do it.

pixplz,
@pixplz@mastodon.social avatar

@GreenFire @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke No, actually, it's appropriate for you to shut your fucking mouth, unless you wanna get sued for libel, asshole

GreenFire,
@GreenFire@mstdn.social avatar

@pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke
LOL, you're willing to accuse someone of being responsible for genocide and you're getting mad at someone for calling you out for it.

I think that lends significant support towards you being Russian educated. They're such snowflakes.

thepoliticalcat,
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    @thepoliticalcat @pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke
    Just saw an interesting aspect of what I think is FSB political technology, namely the attack against the leading defender of democracy.

    At yesterday's Pennsylvania rally, Trump stopped to allow some of his supporters behind the podium to chant genocide joe.

    If they were rational then the people on the left side of the aisle would stop doing it, but I'm not sure that they are. We'll see.

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    @thepoliticalcat @pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke
    There are many different congressional districts so I'm going to assume that they represent their districts unless find out otherwise, but of course we know that the left side of the aisle is not immune from corruption especially from roubles.

    AOC seems to be acting more like a team player somewhat. She donated to the congressional PAC for the first time this year and has been praising Biden.

    DeeGLloyd,
    @DeeGLloyd@mastodon.world avatar

    @GreenFire
    pisses off nowadays, so she must be doing something right.
    @thepoliticalcat @pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke

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    @thepoliticalcat @DeeGLloyd @pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke
    While holds onto the Speaker's gavel, any Democratic legislation is just for show so I'm not worried about that.

    GreenFire,
    @GreenFire@mstdn.social avatar

    @thepoliticalcat @DeeGLloyd @pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke
    One silver lining out of Moscow Mike having control of our country's legislation with just a one vote majority should be that more Americans start thinking about more than just the POTUS has being in control of everything. 🤞

    Plus, it's more impetus for people like Katie Porter to try winning if their districts get redrawn redder instead of dropping out to try for senate since it shows that Speaker can be career goal as well

    GreenFire,
    @GreenFire@mstdn.social avatar

    @pixplz @Beedge @textualdeviance @jjLitke
    The Israeli Army is not committing genocide by any definition of the term for one and your use of Putin's talking point indicates that you have no intention of supporting Joe Biden or democracy in general imo.

    It that's not the case, cool, but when democracy is being attacked so fiercely as it has been over the last decade I'm going to do what I can to defend it before it's too late.

    enobacon,
    @enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

    @pixplz @textualdeviance @jjLitke @Beedge a vote for Biden is a vote for the status quo of unrepresentative choose-only-one voting electoral college two [sic] parties etc. and not voting for Biden is a vote for even worse voting options and access than the current shitshow, literally throwing your vote away and your voting rights.

    pixplz,
    @pixplz@mastodon.social avatar

    @enobacon @textualdeviance @jjLitke @Beedge Look, I am not telling you or anyone else who to vote for. Who YOU vote for is YOUR business. Who I vote for is MY business, and I never said I wasn't planning to vote for the incumbent. I do insist, however, on holding the current president accountable for his words and actions. If that somehow isn't permitted, then as I said, democracy is already dead.

    enobacon,
    @enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

    @pixplz @textualdeviance @jjLitke @Beedge democracy is certainly not healthy and the flawed voting method is a big part of that, but electing a dictator who is literally promising never another election wouldn't be a way to hold Biden accountable. Use what little voting power you have to save and then fix it.

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