GossiTheDog,
@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

My Mastodon server, cyberplace.social, has received a legal threat in an attempt to have a user's thread deleted. It is styled as a cease and desist.

I have published the email here:
https://github.com/GossiTheDog/Cyberplace/blob/main/LegalThreats/Cease%20and%20Desist%20Order%20-%20Felix%20Juhl

GossiTheDog,
@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

This is the thread they are trying to have removed, you should be careful not to boost or interact with it.

https://cyberplace.social/@shakal/109528246434459657

GossiTheDog,
@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

If anybody is wondering, yes, it is real and no it isn't phishing. And yes, they sent it from an Apple customer email address, fraudprevention@icloud.com.

They claim to be representing Felix Juhl of Artefaktum LLC, a cybersecurity company.

GossiTheDog,
@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

The original toots had zero boosts, zero favorites and zero replies before they sent the email — and for some reason wasn’t indexed on Google.

Now it’s on several thousand Fediverse servers, and translated by Google:
https://mastoreader-io.translate.goog/?url=https://mastodon.social/

j3j5,
@j3j5@hachyderm.io avatar

@GossiTheDog if only Barbara Streisand would have taught us anything...

msokolov,
@msokolov@fosstodon.org avatar

@GossiTheDog Barbara Streisand effect is real

GossiTheDog,
@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

barbra streisand

GossiTheDog,
@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

Interestingly, after almost 24 hours exactly none of the Mastodon discussion has been indexed by Google.

renchap, (edited )
@renchap@oisaur.com avatar

@GossiTheDog We do not have sitemaps, and I do not think that they crawl the various RSS feeds we publish (there are a lot of them!). A Google team reached out to us to see how we could improve our indexing so more “real-time" posts are surfaced on search, so there may be some improvements in the coming months if we figure out how to do it properly.

GossiTheDog,
@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

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  • simon,
    @simon@fosstodon.org avatar

    @GossiTheDog @renchap give it one more day perhaps. the previous toot is indexed.

    simon,
    @simon@fosstodon.org avatar

    @GossiTheDog @renchap it's been indexed now.

    renchap,
    @renchap@oisaur.com avatar

    @GossiTheDog I am not sure this works for Twitter nowadays, as they cut off they API / firehose

    GossiTheDog,
    @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

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  • andypiper,
    @andypiper@macaw.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog @renchap I am pretty sure that happens via a bespoke integration; I’m sure that agreements remain for that kind of access even if the API is out of reach for the majority of devs now.

    rysiek,
    @rysiek@mstdn.social avatar
    GossiTheDog,
    @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

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  • Natanael_L,
    @Natanael_L@mastodon.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog @rysiek link to it from your own site(s) to let the indexer know it's there.

    GossiTheDog,
    @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

    Google and other search engines have finally picked it up.

    GossiTheDog,
    @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

    I’ve had a request to remove a name from the cease and desist request I put on GitHub now. Apparently nobody wants to be the one who sent it.

    gsuberland,
    @gsuberland@chaos.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog what he thought he was doing: tricking people into thinking he's a bigshot with a legal team so nobody can make fun of him

    what he was actually doing: practicing law without a license

    kzimmermann,
    @kzimmermann@fosstodon.org avatar

    @GossiTheDog we really need to ask people to please not go into google, type the name Felix Juhl, press enter and look at the search results and keep searching for more information about this Felix Juhl who really, really, shouldn't be searched for.

    Or, godforbid, click this inoffensive hashtag to know even more about

    freakazoid,
    @freakazoid@retro.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog So if I'm reading this correctly, this Felix Juhl person may or may not be a current or former German spy, but this cybersecurity company Artifaktum LLC that he definitely founded is definitely threatening to sue to get a year old thread claiming that he may be a current or former German spy, with receipts, deleted?

    ekse,
    @ekse@noc.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog You should give him the Cleveland stadium treatment.

    vwbusguy,
    @vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

    @GossiTheDog The fact that the legal suffix is L. LM. instead of LL. M. (a mistake a lawyer would most certainly not make) definitely adds to the questionability of this. There's an Ian Watt who is registered in Pennsylvania and Ohio but not Massachusetts, and it's very doubtful said Ian Watt signed off on this at all.

    carcosa,
    @carcosa@emacs.ch avatar

    @GossiTheDog I believe the correct response is to cite Arkell v. Pressdram.

    https://news.lettersofnote.com/p/arkell-v-pressdram

    rysiek,
    @rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog gotta love the @icloud.com e-mail address. Such professional. Many serious.

    feld,
    @feld@bikeshed.party avatar

    @GossiTheDog that email looks fake as hell

    andypiper,
    @andypiper@macaw.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog following with interest, curious to see if there’s a response.

    NBAnthony2k,
    @NBAnthony2k@mastodo.neoliber.al avatar

    @GossiTheDog @jenbanim hopefully something like this never happens to you.

    jenbanim,
    @jenbanim@mastodo.neoliber.al avatar

    @NBAnthony2k fingers crossed. Of course I'll do my absolute best to keep the instance up, but legal issues are probably the most likely way things could go wrong

    I've got enough money and pettiness to at least consult a lawyer but not enough to actually go through a lawsuit

    rich,
    @rich@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

    @GossiTheDog ah yes, artefaktum, with former VP of Fargo Wells (sic)

    mjg59,
    @mjg59@nondeterministic.computer avatar
    falcon,
    @falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks avatar

    @GossiTheDog I wonder why they cited, of all things, a King County Superior Court civil case here?

    GossiTheDog,
    @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social avatar

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  • falcon,
    @falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks avatar

    @GossiTheDog yeah it's incoherent and unpersuasive and it looks like if they are in fact paying a lawyer they are paying far too much lol

    paul,
    @paul@oldfriends.live avatar

    @GossiTheDog @falcon

    I think they thought they had a mark, a pigeon, a stooge due to sloppy Google searching.

    They must have Googled "Kevin Beaumont" and "Lawsuit" and did a sloppy job at following through on their research, stopping at only the first result > https://www.geekwire.com/2023/security-firm-sues-microsoft-alleging-tech-giant-misused-trove-of-stolen-logins-and-passwords/.

    They missed it was finally dismissed WITH prejudice after a dismissal without prejudice for a do-over amended complaint.

    It was shot out of court couple times.

    alexmorse,
    @alexmorse@mastodon.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog I feel like having fraudprevention@icloud.com and not being Apple, is a form of fraud in itself.

    paul,
    @paul@oldfriends.live avatar

    @GossiTheDog
    In the US we would tell him to suck a rotten egg and then boost us mocking him.

    Not sure the law where you are...

    Meanwhile, this post now has a theme song, since you are under the threat of a criminal complaint

    Enjoy this snippet
    😂

    lea,

    @GossiTheDog "Dear Ian,

    eat shit and die

    Kind regards,"

    RVLara23,
    @RVLara23@mastodon.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog what am I missing here .... if a user wants a thread deleted, why don't they just delete the original post themselves?

    gsuberland,
    @gsuberland@chaos.social avatar

    @RVLara23 @GossiTheDog the threat didn't come from the thread author.

    paul,
    @paul@oldfriends.live avatar

    @RVLara23 @GossiTheDog

    It's not the user demanding it be removed, it's The person that the user has posted about.

    jspath55,
    @jspath55@chaos.social avatar

    @GossiTheDog "untrue facts"--well, pick one.

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