The fediverse won’t succeed at putting up a #Stackoverflow substitute and that’s a problem?
Just an impression: All the pieces seem to be there. But what’s required is a team, with devs, PMs and coordinators, dedicated to making a particular place in the #fediverse .
That’s resources and decently sized financial and organisational demands, especially to get a critical mass of users.
Is the fediverse up to that challenge? If not, is it an issue worth addressing?
Yea. That’s more or less what I had in mind. This isn’t merely a matter of writing the software. Like I said, many of the pieces are basically here already. It’s building the place/platform, which has to include a whole bunch of just “work” including the moderation that you mention.
yea … it’s just a chat about the fediverse, come on. I, like many here AFAICT on the fediverse, are here out of interest in the ecosystem/idea, and so are happy to talk about it.
Yes and no, I’d say. I think there’s something to be said for specialising UIs and platforms, and SO strikes me as something that benefits from some of that. Lemmy could certainly be the base of a SO substitute, IMO, but putting it on a separate instance with some specialised UI and policies and even dedicated development of some additional features/tooling on lemmy core as is necessary, could go quite far to making a SO work well.
Federation could still work well, though friction would likely develop between the UIs, which could hopefully be managed over time.
I’m aware of the previous post, I’d commented in the discussion already.
Otherwise, sorry to say, but I really am not sure what you’re talking about here. What sort of purpose could dishonesty here possibly serve other than plain trolling or drama milling (both of which seem unlikely on the face on my post)?
If you’re serious about “goading”, apart from planting ideas and expressing demand, I don’t think any other post like this could possibly influence devs into doing something serious like this.
I think some sort of flair like feature for marking posts as questions and marking accepted or best answers as such are missing. Flairs are desire anyway. Tags perhaps as well.
Then, if there are to be “super votes”, such as the OP accepting an answer or even a moderator highlighting an answer, that would be new too.
If the UI can communicate with a plug-in, I’d imagine that could all be plugin side.
what is the situation ATM for plugins affecting the UI in custom ways?
But yea, this seems like maybe a perfect test case for the plug-in system.
Copying the linked thread here (cuz I stuffed it up):
So the basic story would be that mastodon’s dominance is pretty entrenched and the “migration” event is mostly “over” (whatever other “events” are on their way)
But I wonder about the details of the firefish moment
I think it revealed that there are/were plenty interested in novel & different platforms. We’re novelty seekers after all right. Generally, I’d wager any new platform needs some degree of novelty to “make it”.
Further, its collapse showed how hard creating a new platform is.
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Firefish did well at presenting itself as “professional”, capable and rich. But these were over-promises, and despite a number of people being involved or contributing, a good deal of user enthusiasm, the whole thing fell into a heap.
And that’s the bit that concerns me. How many people/teams are there both capable and willing to put up a good, successful and sustainable platform?
The #firefish lesson may be that the fediverse just hasn’t attracted a healthy building culture/personnel. 3/3
I’m only vaguely aware of the history here. Any chance you’ve got some links to these PRs? Not sea lioning (or at least that’s not the point) … genuinely curious to see what happened.
Thanks, but I couldn’t find any links to PRs in there (which is what I was mainly interested in). The rest of the dynamic explained in there I’m roughly familiar with.
Well, the thing about establishing a plugin interface is that it facilitates 3rd party work on the platform by decoupling core development and its build processes from the development of any additional feature which can be done in whatever tech stack or manner the plugin developer wants.
When it comes to moderation tooling I’m honestly a little confused that there isn’t more work or noise around a developing a sideloaded tool. With the current lemmy APIs for instance, surely one could make a web app, for admins/moderators only, that consumed feeds, exposed the admin/moderator powers and then added whatever additional information or views, filters, notifications or aggregations that moderators want in whatever UI that works better for moderators. Any ML/AI could also be added, with resultant metadata (or any other data for that matter) stored in a separate database. I’m probably missing something here, but I’m honestly a little confused.
The fediverse is working. I am now following (using Mastodon) a "Learning Rust" community on Lemmy [1], who I found through them commenting on my peertube video [2] using Lemmy.
Any lemmy community is federated to mastodon as a user. So you follow by addressing the community as you would on lemmy, but with an “@“ instead of a “!” at the beginning. So @learninglemmyandrust@lemmy.ml.
That “user” then boosts all posts and comments that occur in the community, which is generally annoying when there are piles of posts and comments. For this community though it probably makes a lot of sense and might be more useful at this size than what lemmy does.
Additionally, mastodon has lists which can be made exclusive so that items which go into a list do not show up in your home feed. So you could make one just for this community and check the list for any updates on anything that’s happening here. I might actually do this.
If you like, you can then post to the lemmy community from mastodon. See hachyderm.io/@maegul/110483509521476095 for a demo. Mainly useful if you want to connect communities on both platforms.