TheBananaKing,

Introduce Shakespeare to D&D, and encourage him to popularize it.

Not only would the campaigns he ran be amazing, but goooodlord imagine the subversive effect it would have socially. Unpinning good/evil from lawful/chaotic in the public perception that early on would be a Big Deal; bringing the idea of consumer-generated content would shift attitudes to art and literature away from a purely top-down concept, and the resulting rise of Victorian fan-fiction would be so amazingly terrible it would rip its own hole in the spacetime continuum.

Gold_E_Lox,

is it confirmed that shakespear was a real guy and not a pen name?

ReCursing,
ReCursing avatar

Yes. The idea that he wasn't real is frankly laughable. We know where he lived, we know who his wife was and what she was left in his will (their second best bed!), he met the queen for crap's sake!

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Also he had a daughter he left his entire estate to, and the town of Stratford-upon-avon was sick of his show stealing antics for many many many years

MJBrune,

force Florida to count the ballots in 2000 in favor of Al Gore. People want to talk about stolen elections? They literally wouldn’t count all the ballots because of a technology flaw.

hai,
@hai@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s Florida how do you expect to be able to force them to do anything?

otter,

I’m dumb, thought it was about stealing something from the past to the present. So these answers do fit the prompt


My first reaction was “bring a T-Rex to the year 2000 and threaten them with it”. Ended up pestering AI till it agreed to answer a similar question, here’s a summary of those answers:

Advanced Surveillance Technology: Bringing back highly advanced surveillance technology from a more technologically developed era could be a game-changer.

This one makes some sense. You go back to 1999 (or future if possible) and bring equipment that can detect and prove the fact beyond reasonable doubt. Enough to cause the count.

Influential Evidence from the Future: Bringing back concrete evidence from the future, such as detailed records of the government’s planned election fraud, could be used to expose and prevent these actions. This could include documents, videos, or other irrefutable proof of planned malpractices in the election.

Now this one goes against the prompt somewhat, but it would be the most effective. Although the butterfly effects from proving time travel may cause new issues…

ninjan,

You could be extremely careful to only take with you evidence that would be fresh but not before the fact. Explaining how you got them will be the tricky part either way

Tolookah,

Id show up at the time travelers convention.

lolola,
@lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

give my bro harambe a bullet proof vest

otter,

In before it’s a self correcting timeline, and now it’s the best that gets him killed

BananaTrifleViolin,

I'd go back and prevent the 11th Sept attacks.

The world would be a different place because so much happened as a knock on of that but at the same time it's hard to imagine what the world would be like. Probably very similar but also different in substantial ways.

Like obvious things like no war in Iraq or Afghanistan (at least not those wars), and less obvious things like how the attacks have reshaped liberal democracies like the US and Europe (for the worse imo), and how they empowered right wing politics in many countries (also bad imo).

alehc,

Yeah and also no more TSA (at least the one we know). Fuck TSA all my homies hate the TSA.

imaqtpie,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

The TSA is just a federal jobs program. They don’t actually provide any value; it’s been demonstrated that they miss the vast majority of contraband. The most notable function of the TSA is the temporary imposition of an authoritarian-esque environment of suspicion and control on innocent civilians, reminding us to follow the rules, or else.

themurphy,

Next time you want to prevent 9/11, you probably have to prevent all the reasons they had to hate us.

From ChatGPT-4:

The history of Western involvement in the Middle East before the September 11, 2001 attacks is extensive and complex, involving a range of diplomatic, economic, military, and political actions. Some key instances include:

  1. Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916): A secret agreement between Britain and France, with assent from Russia and Italy, to divide the Ottoman Empire’s territories in the Middle East after World War I.
  2. Balfour Declaration (1917): The British government expressed support for a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine, which was then part of the Ottoman Empire.
  3. Creation of Modern Middle Eastern States: After World War I, Western powers, particularly Britain and France, were instrumental in redrawing the borders in the Middle East, leading to the creation of many modern states.
  4. Iranian Coup d’état (1953): The CIA, with British support, orchestrated a coup to overthrow Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and strengthen the monarchical rule of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
  5. Suez Crisis (1956): France, the UK, and Israel invaded Egypt in response to Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser’s nationalization of the Suez Canal.
  6. Support for Various Regimes: Western countries, especially the United States, supported various regimes in the Middle East, some of which were authoritarian, for strategic and economic interests, particularly during the Cold War.
  7. Lebanese Civil War (1975-1990): The U.S. and other Western countries were involved in various capacities during the Lebanese Civil War.
  8. Soviet-Afghan War (1979-1989): The U.S. and its allies supported Afghan mujahideen in their fight against the Soviet occupation.
  9. First Gulf War (1990-1991): A U.S.-led coalition expelled Iraqi forces from Kuwait. This war also led to the stationing of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, which was one of the grievances cited by Osama bin Laden.
  10. Sanctions against Iraq: Following the Gulf War, the United Nations, with strong U.S. and UK backing, imposed sanctions on Iraq that had significant humanitarian impacts.
  11. Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: The U.S. and other Western countries have been deeply involved in this conflict, often perceived as being biased towards Israel.
  12. Various Military Bases and Operations: The U.S. and its allies have maintained a military presence in various parts of the Middle East for strategic reasons.

This list is not exhaustive and simplifies a complex history. Each of these events has a nuanced background, and their impacts are still felt in the region’s contemporary politics.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

To be fair, it’s easier to stop 1 of the planes that crashed into the towers than to stop stuff that had a LOT of powerful people making decisions.

Pantherina,

No damn tiny bottles and metal detectors before flights. But I dont fly anymore lol

Susaga,
@Susaga@ttrpg.network avatar

The first time Heinrich Kramer tries to show someone the Malleus Maleficarum, I appear directly in front of him and set the book on fire. Not only is the book destroyed, but a clearly supernatural event took place to put the fear of god into him. Bam. No witch trials.

interolivary,
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

More likely outcome: he takes a person in strange clothing appearing from thin air only to set his book on fire with a magical implement as clear proof of witchcraft existing and posing a huge danger. Get ready for turbo witch hunts on crack

Susaga,
@Susaga@ttrpg.network avatar

He wasn’t going to be any MORE nuts. Everyone knew he was a crackpot who hated women, and it was heretical for him to claim anyone but God could grant anyone powers. I make sure to do it in front of people and there’s suddenly an audience to see him be condemned by a divine agent. If they try to say it was anything else, they’re heretical too.

At the very least, it can’t get WORSE.

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Or, the first time he steps foot in Innsbruck, he slips on a banana skin and slides down the street, much to the comedic delight of the locals. Helena Scheuberin even giggles and praises him for his comedic wit and skill. With high praise from an affluent local, and a natural penchant for comedy, Kramer leads a cult following in banana-skin comedic antics, and kick starts surrealist humour centuries before Monty Python.

CeruleanRuin, (edited )

I’d prevent the Challenger launch. Manned spaceflight doesn’t get shelved for an entire generation, and a young me doesn’t lose hope for the future at such an early age.

Through a bizarre series of butterfly effects, the successful launch and its international attention gives bureaucrats in Pripyat an extra nudge to encourage cooperation amongst their engineers and nuclear scientists, and a critical flaw in the operation of the plant at Chernobyl is caught before it causes a catastrophic meltdown.

The cumulative effect is a continued culture of progressive technological expansion into the 90s, and the fading of the anti-intellectualism that threatened to overtake the world during the Reagan and Thatcher administrations. Hand in hand with this is a decreased militarism, as technology is increasingly seen as a tool for the betterment of humanity, and less as a means of building better weapons.

One other immediate result is in the US presidential election of 1988. A lack of meaningful engagement with the public (no “skipped the surly bonds of earth” speech) led to increasing apathy toward the outgoing Reagan administration, giving G.H.W. Bush a tougher hill to climb, and less solid footing on the issue of defense. Dukakis doesn’t feel the need to do a silly photo op in a tank, but instead campaigns partly on an expansion of the space program and educational outreach programs similar to the one that brought in Christa McAuliffe.

Neoconservatism and neoliberalism wither together on the vine. Permanent human presence in space continues uninterrupted for the next two decades, with a base on the moon by the end of the century and a manned mission to Mars planned for a decade after that.

No Bushes, no rise of Al-Qaeda in 1988, no Gulf War, no Rush Limbaugh, no Clinton’s, and no 9/11.

intensely_human,

TIME TRAVELER STOPS NASA LAUNCH

Administrators considering stopping entire space program.

“It must be some kind of message”, said Jerry Jenkins, head of NASA’s department of deciding whether to continue with space exploration whatsoever. “The time traveler knows something we don’t, and if he’s back here stopping launches it must mean there’s bad outcomes from space stuff.”

____,

Not per se necessary to prevent it - either listen to the on-site rep from MT, who raised concerns in OTL that were disregarded, or make that day warmer. All other things being equal, without the crisis, we would have learned a great deal - but not at the cost of several lives.

It haunts me to this day that an improved version of STS would likely still be an option for launches, if only McDonald had been listened to.

I can fault the company, but he made a good faith effort to stop it because testing hadn’t been done at the current temperatures, AIUI.

On the ohter hand, those lives vs [GHWB | Dukakis | anyone else] directly impacts OTL - Arguably, we’d never have a Trump presidency, but Duke is simply a gentler, faster version of the same.

Not sure we wouldn’t still get Bushes, or Gulf War, but certainly what we ended up with would be more tempered, and there’s a real benefit to that. All these years on, perhaps we’d still have the ‘old school’ Republican party instead of the “I’m not a fascist, I swear!” Republican party.

imaqtpie,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’d save RFK and give him a full two-term presidency. Just because I’ve always wondered how much a difference it would have made in the course of American history. It definitely seems like things took a severe turn for the worse in the late 60s and the American political system has never recovered.

I personally believe there were conspiracies to assassinate both him and JFK because they were not susceptible to being controlled by their donors or political mentors, as is the case with the vast majority of politicians. They were rogue elements with a strong potential to disrupt the status quo (i.e. gravy train) for the rest of the oligarchy, so they got taken out.

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Carter?

imaqtpie,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

I wasn’t alive for these events and I am possibly missing context. But I just see an inflection point in the 60s and I don’t know if another term from Carter in 1980 would have been enough to turn things around. I also feel like he was a less impactful character than RFK

tetris11, (edited )
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

The main turning point was 1971, as referenced by the website (wtfhappenedin1971.com).

Nixon was the president then, and the main force was that the economy was decoupled from the gold standard

Edit: president

imaqtpie,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nah that was Nixon. If RFK had been elected, withdrawn from Vietnam earlier and not been corrupt, things may have gone differently

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

My brain goofed, I knew that. Thanks for the correction!

TheBeege,

It makes me sad the site seems to be pushing crypto. Or maybe it’s that crypto bros keep referencing the event? Chicken and egg? I dunno

Kecessa,

Reagan is where things got fucked. Give Carter two mandates instead.

imaqtpie,
@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Por que no los dos

JeffKerman1999,

A highschool physics book translated in ancient Greek/linear B to mass copy and distribute to everyone. Maybe it’ll give the advantage to stop the Bronze Age Collapse.

JollyRoberts,

@JeffKerman1999 bring some plans for the printing press and some plans to mass produce paper too. Back in the ancient times one sheet of paper was about $30 in todays money. A whole book would be the equivalant of tens of thousands of dollars.

@hai

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Without digisation possibilities, limited oil usage, and an ever-increasing demand for paraphanalia, there will be no trees left.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

I think hygiene and modern concepts of medicine and transmittable diseases would more likely prevent that collapse

medicsofanarchy,
@medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world avatar

Introduce radio to the Romans. They had the metallurgy to create coils. Even a simple Morse code system would easily keep their empire going. Probably end up like that Star Trek TOS where Centurions are carrying sub-machine guns, though. If want to read what a great SF writer did with this (guy from 1938 ends up in 535AD), read “Lest Darkness Fall”

privsecfoss, (edited )
@privsecfoss@feddit.dk avatar

Something that would do that neoliberism in the 80’s with Reagan and Thatcher would not become the dominating political and economic theory it has been since that time.

TheBeege,

I was going to post something like this. Thank you for your service

intensely_human,

Nuclear war in 1993

LemmyFeed,

Idk sneeze on a dinosaur or something.

Valmond,

So that’s why they all died out…

otter,

Dinosaur: “bruh? 🤨”

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

hands you a tissue

squaresinger,

Take the current highest-yield nuclear bomb and destroy England right before the begin of their collonial era.

Generally speaking, I believe removing a global superpower just before they do their world-changing thing is probably going to have the biggest effect on the timeline.

Devi,

Everyone was building empires at the time and fighting over who got what. All that nuking England would do is to mean France, the netherlands, germany, spain etc would get more bits

squaresinger,

Of course it wouldn’t stop colonialization, but it would change the future quite a lot.

  • No English-speaking superpowers/English as lingua franca
  • No Commonwealth
  • No wide-spread anglo common law based legal systems
  • Superpowers/alliances would be totally mixed up up to now.
  • China could have developed totally different due to them not constantly losing against the English.
  • No colonialization of the Welsh, Scots, Irish by the English

I think that should shake up the timeline quite a bit.

Devi,

No, you'd just have the exact same thing but with another nationality. France had like half of Africa so they'd definitely be bigger.

squaresinger, (edited )

And wouldn’t that completely shift worldwide powerbalanes for centuries to come?

For example, would WW2 have happened if France had been a global superpower instead of a pushover?

Would the american revolution have happened with another colonial ruler?

Without that example, would the french revolution have happened?

Without both revolutions, would democracy be a thing by now, or would we still have totalitarian monarchies?

You know the butterfly effect? It’s the same except we aren’t killing a butterfly but instead one of the superpower nations of that time.

Devi,

France was never a pushover. The idea that being invaded by a bigger stronger army was their fault is weird and one I've only heard in the US.

Most countries that are colonies eventually seek independence, including most that France had.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

France wasn’t a pushover around WW2. They had enough manpower to fight nazi Germany toe to toe. What they did, however, was underestimate how fast they could advance. France also ignored a warning that the germans were amassing to push through the Ardennes, which allowed the nazis to face little resistance on that front. Apparently, if they took immediate action, they could’ve mobilized an air raid to completely destroy that nazi battalion, which would royally fuck up the rest of Hitler’s plans

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

It would only be a deterrent for empire building if there’s a pattern (probably 3 or 4 similar events), otherwise people would consider it a random hateful act of god, of which there are many, and of which have been interpreted many different ways

squaresinger,

I was focussing on changing the timeline, not on deterring nations from doing something. Without English colonializers, there would have certainly been other colonizers, but e.g. the whole China situation would have likely been very different. There would not be a dominant anglo culture right now. No English-speaking USA, no English-speaking Australia, no large countries with an anglo common law-based legal system.

It would change the timeline quite a bit.

UlyssesT,

If you’re fine with utterly erasing pretty much every human being conceived after that point in favor of new human beings (or other creatures entirely) may as well go big or go home and start here.

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/16c54321-581c-48e0-b757-960fb132bd20.jpeg

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

You’d have to kill every single salamander-like though, in order to find the true “first eggs on land” that spawned us all. Or maybe it was a group effort, and you really will have to kill them all.

pixelscript,

I often wonder how people would react if you showed up to a concert hall in, say, classical music era Europe or something and performed modern music. Assuming you could kit it to provide infrastructure for whatever your performance required, and the acoustics of the venue were idealized.

Would attendees hate it? Would the unfamiliar musical styles be repulsive to them? Would the sounds and textures of modern instrumentation like electric guitar and synthesizer upset or even frighten them? Or would they find something to appreciate about it? Would the music be copied and spread, becoming a time worn classic folk tune in an alternate future? Or would it be rebuked and suppressed, condemned for all time as evil influence? Which genres would have the best acceptance chances in which cultures, and which eras?

In my mind in particular, I think about this with the niche realm of video game soundtracks. If not just the music played as-is through some playback device (which would probably be rather boring, but who knows, maybe the novelty of recorded music alone would be fascinating enough) then perhaps arranged for live performance, like the orchestral performance of Undertale, or the Sinnohvation big band album. Or, of course, if the soundtrack was itself a recorded live performance, just perform it. These collections of compositions often outline rich adventures, communicated by a wide range of musical styles. I wonder if they are strong enough to stand alone, and if audiences would respond to them without the context that they were written to accompany.

Failing live performance (which would be trickier than one would think–to sound good, live music has to be written with its venue in mind, and I’d assume most modern music would sound like garbage when performed in victorian era concert halls or ancient ampitheaters), I’d also consider putting them to vinyl LPs and dumping them in old record shops in any era that had phonograph or turntable technology and see if they get discovered.

Why not just send back the video games themselves? I dunno. I guess I’m less interested in wowing them with futuristic technology and more interested in how they’d react to something they already have (music), but in a strange, new context.

mindbleach,

The temptation would be to play “Raining Blood” and get extremely excommunicated. “South of Heaven” you could argue is a musical Hieronymus Bosch painting. “Disciple,” less so. For apostasy that cheeky locals could reproduce on a lute, do “The God That Failed.”

Probably the least riot-inducing song that’d still leave the aristocracy struggling to deal with the experience is Anamanaguchi’s “Endless Fantasy.” To people intimately familiar with wind and string instruments, and for a song that Jackson Parodi managed to decently reproduce on a goddamn accordion, it’s juuust enough to leave everyone wondering how the hell humans made those noises. It’s also obscenely energetic. Nevermind concert halls, play this at cafe that’s just imported tobacco and watch some men in hosiery get off their asses. All of that goes double for “Prom Night.” None of these people have ever heard a square wave.

Somewhere in-between, I’d suggest any Flaming Lips album. At War With The Mystics might go over quite well, at first.

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