Why is Lemmygrad hated in the wider space of Lemmy?
I’ve been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?
I’ve been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?
LinkOpensChest_wav, I can’t speak about lemmygrad since the instances I’m on all defederate from it, but Hexbear users have a reputation for being generally aggressive, grating, and immature. It’s like that kid in class who keeps interrupting the teacher because they think they’re funny and clever. e.g., some were screaming at me that I can’t be an anarchist and I know nothing about anarchism since I’m married, replying with third-grade tier memes for some confusing reason
Omega_Haxors, Lemmygrad does have its heated gamer moments but overall they’re waaaaay better than hexbear when it comes to post quality.
state_electrician, Exactly this. They are not leftist, they are just a bunch of idiot trolls who use extreme left views as a means of pissing people off. Their views, according to their posts, are cartoonishly extremist. And that’s why people don’t like them.
LinkOpensChest_wav, I fully agree. The problem is when we point out that they’re not leftist, they assume it’s because we conflate leftism with liberalism, whereas this is not the case at all. I think they’re not leftist because their antisocial/anti-human beliefs are antithetical to the concept of community and only serve to derail any chance we have to work together to create a new system. I can’t imagine that anyone who legitimately seeks the goal of a stateless, classless society would behave as they do.
TimewornTraveler, some were screaming at me that I can’t be an anarchist and I know nothing about anarchism since I’m married, replying with third-grade tier memes for some confusing reason
Sounds like Hexbear to me
LinkOpensChest_wav, Do you want to hear the punchline? I caught a temp ban for expressing my plan to block their instance as soon as that is made possible for users. I will admit I was a bit harsh in that I said I wanted them to be “effectively silenced,” but this was extremely mild compared to their comments to me.
state_electrician, Mh, comments are being deleted. I hate this fucking drama.
LinkOpensChest_wav, Of course they’re deleting comments. Their opinions are indefensible so they have to remove any form of scrutiny.
LinkOpensChest_wav, Thought I should add it was them informing me that certain countries banning same-sex marriage while endorsing heterosexual marriage is just fine, actually. They espoused an objectively homophobic belief, and when I referenced my own marriage, they switched to calling me ignorant about anarchism. There are anarchist texts exploring the issue and some of the potential problems with traditions like marriage, but it’s not dogma. Nor do I view my own relationship as hierarchical.
TL;DR They were being objectively homophobic.
OurToothbrush, This has the energy of a white gay man in a marriage pointing at a trans polycule and calling them homophobic because they said he had a bad take about how bourgeois privileges are more important than positive rights for queer homeless people.
White gay men wielding their gayness as a cudgel against people who are queerer and more marginalized then them sure is a gross thing to see.
LinkOpensChest_wav, (edited ) Your comment is a perfect example of the pants-shittingly off-topic LGBTphobic nonsense I was receiving in the other thread, so thanks for proving my point.
You … you do realize that trans people and other “queerer” people than me engage in same-sex marriage too, right? And that it’s objectively homophobic for a policy to exist forbidding same-sex marriage while permitting heterosexual marriage? And that not all trans people are poly? I know people that fit all of the above, and every one of them deserves validation, and it would be unfathomably LGBTphobic for me to arbitrarily determine which ones are “queer enough” to be part of the community. You don’t see the problem with this line of thinking, with your entire statement? Of course you do, you’re just being deliberately cruel for your own amusement.
There it is, folks. Exhibit A
Edit: That user is a moderator on !worldnews
I’m unsubscribing immediately! And I blocked and reported that user, too.
My love is for all the LGBT+ community, and for the straight cis community as well. I just want equity. For anyone who had to read that homophobic comment above, just know that I do care, and I’m here for you.
OurToothbrush, (edited ) And that it’s objectively homophobic for a policy to exist forbidding same-sex marriage while permitting heterosexual marriage?
Yes!
Do you acknowledge that some countries like the US which allow gay marriage materially harm lgbt people more than some countries that have banned gay marriage? Or is it only homophobic when it impacts your middle class ass?
Do you acknowledge that many socialist countries are progressive and moving toward more rights, and just starting from a worse starting point because of violently enforced colonial attitudes from countries that now claim to be progressive?
Do you acknowledge that Cuba, a socialist nation that you’d accuse of being tankie, is the place where lgbt people have the most material rights?
Do you acknowledge that communists have led every single queer liberation movement that has forced concessions from ruling governments? Or do you want to whitewash the communists out of stonewall?
You … you do realize that trans people and other “queerer” people than me engage in same-sex marriage too, right?
Yes, I’m one of them. And I’d happily give up my right to be married if it would erase queer homelessness, and erase conversion therapy camps, and erase the continual murder of black and indigenous trans women in our society.
frauddogg, (edited ) You sound like one of these kind of gays; please quit the bad-faith crybully phobia-jacketing bullshit
As several scholars have noted, contemporary gay life is marked by high levels of racism directed towards gay men of color by gay white men, with much of the racism manifesting itself as negative sexual attitudes towards, and sexual exclusion or fetishization of, non-white men (Armstrong 2002; Bérubé 2001; Epstein 1996; McBride 2005; Tenunis, 2007).
Illecors, It should probably be a hint of sorts - while the idea might be tolerable, once people enter the mix - it all goes to shit.
agamemnonymous, Just like literally every other system ever devised or imagined. Ideas never work perfectly when people are involved, best never make the effort right?
Illecors, I’ve seen the effort, seen the results. Thank you, no thank you.
agamemnonymous, What a coincidence, that’s how I see the abject social failure that is capitalism. I’ve seen the results, thank you, no thank you.
Illecors, Have you seen the results of communism?
agamemnonymous, No? No one has, except for some very isolated cases on the small scale. One of the downsides of a system which has never been tried at the large scale.
I have seen the effects of capitalism though: the concentration of resources in the hands of a few, homelessness, environmental destruction, neo-colonialism and third world exploitation.
Additionally, I have seen the effects of state capitalism pretending to be socialism, and even that brief period of apparent socialism elevated the impoverished, fed the hungry, housed the homeless, and literally rocketed a nation of peasant farmers to a world superpower in like 50 years. As everyone knows, that period soon gave way to to the corrupting influences of capitalism. Toward the end of the the USSR, and shortly after its collapse, the forces of capitalism again ravaged the region, and looted communal resources for personal enrichment.
Illecors, You’re making things up. The hungry were hidden, the disabled were shamed, the homeless were turned to thieves, no reason was needed to send anyone to siberia. And sent they were. russia has not been just a nation of peasant farmers for a very long time.
agamemnonymous, Yeah, state capitalism is horrible just like every other form of capitalism. That’s precisely what I said.
Now do capitalism, I’ll wait. Not too long though, since capitalism is turning our planet into a hellscape at the hands of the robber baron 1%.
felipeforte, state capitalism pretending to be socialism
I think your heart is in the right place, but I’m just curious… If the Soviet Union was “pretending to be socialism”, what is or was actual socialism?
Omega_Haxors, Profile pic checks out
flamingo_pinyata, Well it’s because they are Marxist.
In the Lemmy culture Marxism has a very bad name because almost religious overtones of its adherents.Which is of ironically very much what Marx was warning against. But that’s how it works right now.
Eldritch, Leninism is antithetical to Marxism. As you said. If they were Marxist there wouldn’t be a big issue. They’re Leninist as an angry 13 year old can be. Combined with the fact that people in the West, the US especially, have no idea what either one is. And that’s the problem.
spauldo, I believe you’ve answered your own question.
Lemmy isn’t Marxist-only. The majority of Lemmy users are what the more vocal Lemmygrad and Hexbear users deride as “libs.” As a thought experiment, imagine that you are one of us for a moment and then browse Local on one of those.
Spongebobsquarejuche, Thought experiment; Don’t be a lib.
jsh, Thought experiment; shut the fuck up.
frauddogg, nazi bar cracker ratio’d to death lmfao
Ashurel, Even better - don’t be a tankie
Spongebobsquarejuche, Define tankie.
Ram_The_Manparts, [fart noise]
booty, As an anarchist, I’ve been called a tankie so many times basically for expressing views left of Ronald Reagan. Why should one not be a tankie?
GarbageShoot, Don’t be a useful idiot of the State Department
spauldo, Exhibit #1 why Hexbear/Lemmygrad are unpopular: this guy
thirtymilliondeadfish,
frauddogg, this fella’s face when they posted that:
https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/df34f0db-d529-4008-a6b1-0593673dc7a9.png
Che_Donkey, I could tell you, but the last time I responded to a thread like this I got banned for a couple weeks because toxic political personalities aren’t very tolerant.
Omega_Haxors, Tell everyone here what you said. Do it, coward.
frauddogg, Either that guy’s full of shit or he’s ban evading on a sockpuppet; 'cause that username turns up zilch in the modlog
wtry, (edited ) My DMs are open
Che_Donkey, Nah that’s about it. The majority of active users are disingenuous in any real way to anyone outside of thier toxic insider joke club. The whole “my personality is based on this political view” is a tiresome trope, regardless of what that view they actually have IRL.
redtea, The modlog is public. You can see exactly what comment led to the ban if you search for it.
Che_Donkey, …shit
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