Praxinoscope, (edited )

Tragic Kingdom by No Doubt

Blood Sex Sugar Magic by Red Hot Chili Peppers

PrincessLeiasCat,

Seen both of these in concert. Still both amazing shows.

mindbleach,

You have to respect Californication / By The Way / Stadium Arcadium. They got most of their shit together for a while with Frusciante back.

Sucks for Josh Klinghoffer, though.

state_electrician,

Tragic Kingdom is one of my favorite albums of all time. It’s just so damn good.

Boingboing,

Hard agree. One Red Hot Minute was really the beginning of the end.

rsh,

Smashing Pumpkins: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

R.E.M. - Automatic for the people

Ejh3k,

I don’t know is Mellon collie was a huge drop off, but their direction definitely changed.

misericordiae, (edited )

I agree with both of you. I'm very fond of everything by them up through the American Gothic EP, but Mellon Collie is still kinda the peak.

Ejh3k,

Peak, yes. But it’s not like their next couple of albums were terrible. They were just a different direction.

misericordiae,

Oh absolutely. Adore was actually the album that got me into them.

Corngood,

These are great. In this vein I add:

Pearl Jam - Yield

(and forgive me but)

Radiohead - OK Computer

mindbleach,

Kid A is a damn good album, it’s just in a whole different genre.

Even if you think OK Computer was better - certainly a defensible argument - in no sense is that were Radiohead “fell off.” Amnesiac and Hail To The Thief were exactly what people wanted after Kid A. (Whatever they wanted right after OK Computer, tough shit, that band died on tour.)

In Rainbows was definitely a little off. There’s a lot going right. It’s all very tonally consistent, even compared to Thief. But there’s the plain seeds of whatever the fuck went wrong for King Of Limbs. Thom. How’d you fuck up “Morning, Mister Magpie?” It was beautiful on the MGLMOAT sessions.

calamitycastle,

Kid A was class when it came out

GoOnASteamTrain,

As massive R.E.M. fan, this made me conflicted! Automatic for the People is beautiful, and most days my favourite, but I wouldn’t want to miss where the band went after.

Their last album was brilliant, Accelerate was fun… I know AftP was a hell of a peak, but I can’t find it in me to write off anything except a chunk of Around the Sun…

Thank you for allowing me to talk about my favourite band. :)

JackiesFridge,
@JackiesFridge@lemmy.world avatar

Accelerate was a lot of fun, but for me the last album that was stellar front to back was Life’s Rich Pageant. It was joyous, raucous, and they hit their signature sound head on. Every track sparkled (even the Superman cover that Michael hated).

GoOnASteamTrain,

That’s a very fair opinion too! I feel they changed about 4 times as a band (understandably I guess as they were about for 3 decades), and damn Life’s Rich Pageant was special - it’s one I play very often, and it is stacked! :)

It’s the best they sounded as a pure rock band, even though I have such a soft spot for Murmur. New Adventures touched on that feeling again, but it wasn’t front to back perfect in the same way (partly because of its length!)

The trouble I have is I couldn’t imagine life without what came after Life’s Rich Pageant, for instance Automatic meant a great deal to me, as it was the first album I remember hearing and loving growing up. :)

JackiesFridge,
@JackiesFridge@lemmy.world avatar

For sure! One of the reasons they’re such an amazing band is that they were able to innovate and adapt over a long career without losing their core style. They grew with their audience instead of apart from it.

My opinion is based on my own music preference (I’m a sucker for power pop) but there’s no denying R.E.M. stayed at the top of their game far longer than most bands even stay together.

s_s,

Gish is a transcendental album that created the genre that dominated the next 20 years: alternative rock.

Everything after Gish might have been more popular or well known, but none of it will ever approach being as influential.

stackPeek,
@stackPeek@lemmy.world avatar

Gorillaz fell off? Since when?

PopShark, (edited )

Idk if I would say they “fell off” but Demon Days was fucking AMAZING and Plastic Beach was really good. Plus all their stuff from before that ranged from good to great too. Everything that came after Plastic Beach was…. Mediocre at best and this is just my own subjective opinion obviously as is anyone’s opinion on music but like I grew up listening to all sorts of electronic music and I just don’t like any of their newer stuff it’s experimental though which aligns with their style I’ll give them that

omgarm,

Side note: as a fan of electronica/electronic music I HATE how “EDM” is now the blanket term used. Not all songs by Gorillaz are EDM.

PopShark,

You’re right and I corrected myself

TheDarkKnight,

Yeah wtf is OP smoking their last album was one of my favs of the year

gregorum, (edited )

Pink Floyd - The Wall

Not their last album before Roger Waters left the band (that was The Final Cut, the album which followed), but it was far superior, and arguably their best album-- and inarguably their magnum opus.

The David Gilmour-led era of Pink Floyd was ok, but it would never reach the fevered heights and sick intensity of the Roger Waters days.

hal_5700X,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

It’s good album. But I view The Wall as a Waters solo album than a Pink Floyd one.

gregorum,

how do you figure that?

hal_5700X,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

Some of the tracks are based on his childhood, and seeing how many The Wall tours he did. In 2016 he turned it into an opera. So the album is very personal to him.

gregorum,

A lot of the tracks have to do with what both Waters and Gilmour went through as children, as they both lost their fathers to World War II. David Gilmour got writing credit on a bunch of the tracks as well. And given the amount of work that both Waters and Gilmore put into the album, it’s not really right to say that it was a solo project. Not even to mention what Nick Mason put into it. If you wanna cut out Richard Wright’s contributions, considering that he got fired during this album’s production, that would be fair. 

13esq,

The Wall is absolutely Rogers album. The concept and the songs are all his. Gilmour only received credits on three of the songs.

You can’t point to a few guitar solos and then give Gilmour half the credit, it was a great contribution, but even Gilmour would admit that Roger wrote the wall.

13esq,

He essentially did write the whole thing.

hal_5700X,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

He wrote all of The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and Animals.

13esq,

He essentially wrote everything post Syd Barret all the way up to the Final Cut which was supposed to be Floyd’s last album.

hal_5700X,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

No. Dark Side was the first album Waters wrote all of it.

13esq,

I’m not saying that the other members didn’t contribute, just that post Barret, Rogers wrote the vast majority.

The drop in vision and quality after The Final Cut really shows. The division bell is essentially Gilmour ranting at the poltergeist of Roger.

gregorum,

Except for the parts that David Gilmour wrote

gregorum,

Except for the parts that David Gilmour wrote

13esq,

David Gilmour was good at solos, not song writing.

BreadstickNinja,

It’s an okay album. It’s a rock opera. It’s very melodramatic. There are some great songs.

I go back and forth on Animals or Meddle as their best record, with Wish You Were Here close behind.

Definitely The Wall feels much more like the solo Roger stuff than the best of Floyd.

Though the real purists only like the Barrett stuff.

mindbleach,

It’s Animals. If every track besides “Dogs” sucked, it’d still be a top-five album, because of “Dogs.” But “Pigs” and “Sheep” are damn near as good.

I love the hell out of Meddle, but that’s 90% "Echoes* being a peak example of long-form prog. Side one is just… okay.

mindbleach,

Basically, Gilmour recorded some above-average Moody Blues albums.

Kecessa,

Everyone knows Ummagumma was their best album, they’re just too scared to admit it!

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/61aae538-2ccc-4444-8152-889308dcc76e.png

13esq,

Best song is several small species

13esq,

I agree except that Dark side of the moon is clearly Pink Floyds magnum opus.

I understand that Roger is a divisive character (personally I love him despite his flaws), but god damn he could write an album.

aredditimmigrant,

More popular, more commercially successful, and more accessible to casual fans. Agreed.

But for magnum opus, I gotta agree with the wall for a few reasons

  1. They made a movie out of it
  2. The ode to the intense para social relationships that revolve around stardom and how a truly crazy creative can take advantage of it in scary ways was not only true back then, but predictive of how much worse it would get in current time.
  3. DSotM always seemed like a lot of good ideas in an unordered list. I felt like they could be scrambled and the album would be similar, except for the first and last songs… Meanwhile the wall tells a story of pain, alienation, search for meaning, lashing out, and then a quest for self-forgiveness.
13esq,

Fair shout. I also love the wall.

TheDarkKnight,

Best guitar solo of all time helps too

Leviathan,

Metallica (Black Album)

Is this a joke? This is where they’re newfound mediocrity was cemented. They peaked at Ride the Lightning, everything after that was more and more watered down garbage.

Sorry, I meant I strongly disagree.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

Massive Attack - Mezzanine

They still had a few good tracks afterwards but that album really was a masterpiece.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Sadly, Guns n Roses, Appetite for Destruction.

Nothing any of them have done since has matched the quality of creativity that they did on aod.

I’m not saying I didn’t like the use your illusion pair, and Slash has done some damn good work on specific songs in his various projects. But the band as a whole fell off hard after their very first. Axl in particular kinda lost his songwriting during use your illusion, which had some great songs, but it wasn’t consistently great as albums

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Modest Mouse - The Moon and Antarctica

This is really the only band I have that hipster thought that they were better before they got big. This was the last album they made that I love every song on. Then they dropped Good News for People Who Like Bad News and their style was almost completely different, but also got many more people listening to the band.

Similarly I liked Kings of Leon before they changed the original vocalist. They had a rather unique sound when I discovered Aha Shake Heartbreak, but by Only By The Night, they had completely lost everything about their sound that I liked.

ShortYetLongDogs,

I’m in agreement that The Moon and Antarctica is the peak album, but I feel Good News is a great representation of the band transcending into something brand new rather than just fizzling. It’s Iike going out with a bang. Then after that it feels like fizzle haha.

I would probably have hated Good News if I had followed them before it came out, but it has a great representation of rebirth and becoming an unapologetically new person. I return to it usually when I go through loss.

demesisx, (edited )
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Claude Debussy - Claire de Lune

The Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium

Weather Report - Heavy Weather

Rush - 2112

Mr. Bungle - California

Dr. Dre - The Chronic

Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle

Wu Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers

Beastie Boys - Paul’s Boutique

Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire

Miles Davis - Kind of Blue

Getz/Gilberto/Jobim - The Girl from Ipanema

Mozart’s Requiem (good place to peak!)

Metallica - Master of Puppets

Cynic - Focus

Death - Human

Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten

Eric Johnson - Ah Via Musicom

Steve Vai - Passion and Warfare

Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force

John Coltrane - A Love Supreme

Radiohead - Kid A

Deftones - White Pony

Secret Chiefs 3 - Book of Horizons

Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory

The Allman Brothers - Live at the Fillmore East

Michael Jackson - Thriller

Beach Boys - Pet Sounds

pantyhosewimp,

Metallica - Master of Puppets

Thank you for correcting the original poster on this one.

Once they went from metal to hard rock, it was over for me.

demesisx,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

It’s bizarre to hear anyone mention anything other than Master of Puppets. As an old school death metal guitar player turned jazz geezer, Master of Puppets is, by a wide margin, unanimously considered the best metal album of all time by most metal musicians who know their shit.

Adulated_Aspersion,

Do you like guitars? Yngwie, Vai, Johnson.

demesisx,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Yeah. But I’m just naming ones I can think of where the album was never eclipsed. It just so happens that that is the case for those guitar players…and it’s not like we’re going to hear Yngwie or Johnson somehow suddenly reinvent themselves this late in their careers.

For example, I’m a HUGE fan of Khruangbin and Julian Lage but….what will Julian Lage or Khruangbin give us in the future? We may never know if they have peaked until that time has passed.

GARlactic,

Yeah Mozart really fell off after he died.

0ops,

Hard disagree on Rush’s 2112 being peek, if anything that album was the start of one of the greatest streaks in music history. They did like 4-5 excellent albums after that. Personally if I were to rank Rush albums, I’d put Farewell to Kings above 2112, maybe hemispheres too if only for La Villa Strangiatto. Not that I don’t love 2112, but relative to the other albums in that streak I think it’s a little tiny bit overrated

Underwaterbob,

Agreed. Peak Rush is Hemispheres (Circumstances is possibly the best rock song ever written) for me, but really I love almost everything from Fly by Night to Grace Under Pressure. That’s 8 albums I can easily listen to front-to-back.

Whelp. As I typed I realized I forgot about Caress of Steel. I suppose that says something…

shuzuko,

The Beatles - Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band

Bruhhhhhhhh

White Album? Abbey Road? I mean, even if you aren’t a big fan of Yellow Submarine or Magical Mystery Tour, how can you say freaking Abbey Road is a comedown from Sgt Pepper’s?

demesisx,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Actually, you might be right. I’ll take the Beatles out. They were good all along.

hamsammy,

Kid A was genius, I’m curious on your thoughts of In Rainbows?

demesisx,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Meh. Didn’t suck but nothing will have the cohesiveness of that album.

dez,

Disagree a lot about Radiohead. They are probably one of the best bands with the best discographys ever. Almost every album are very, very good

demesisx,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

I find this to be an accurate representation of Thom nowadays: youtu.be/mwR6Se-WzgY?si=psInrHdVvVOe9PzC

AlfredEinstein,
batmaniam,

Man, if you liked deloused I get why you’d be disappointed by what comes after, but Francis the Mute is something else. It’s structured way different, it’s a damn opera, but 20 years on that is my all time favorite album.

Boingboing,

Peaked at Pablo Honey. Radiohead after that was meh. Take it or leave it.

demesisx,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Opinions. This person has em.

rebul,

Girl You Know It’s True- Milli Vanilli

theywilleatthestars,

The Suburbs by Arcade Fire

mindbleach,

Funeral was their peak. Neon Bible was a promising and interesting but a little askew. Suburbs was repetitive and awkward.

Atin,

And Justice For All… By Metallica

JPJones,

Too easy

demesisx,
@demesisx@infosec.pub avatar

Master of Puppets > …And Justice for All

Adulated_Aspersion,

Death Magnetic

(…And Justice for All was the second CD that I owned, and I love it)

JimmyBigSausage,

Breakfast in America - Supertramp

mindbleach,

I was about to object, but Even In The Quietest Moments was the album before it, not after.

Yeah their work after Breakfast kinda sucked.

prettybunnys,

Wait you think the Gorillaz fell off after Demon Days???

Reddfugee42,

Why wherever did you get that idea

can,

Not dramatically but it was the best and none topped it.

prettybunnys,

Plastic Beach was straight fire IMO

Maybe my notion of falling off is different, I consider falling off “and then they were irrelevant” so to speak. I could just have the wrong idea

can,

Plastic Beach is good and I loved Stylo but at the time I was disappointed.

andyMFK,

Plastic beach is orders of magnitude better

Kecessa,

That’s a controversial opinion right there!

Cowbee,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s arguable, and even then it could only ever be considered marginally better than Plastic Beach. Even if you don’t like the new stuff, PB is fire.

Kecessa, (edited )

Green Day - Dookie

Radiohead - Kid A/Amnesiac

System of a down - Toxicity

Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the deaf

The Offspring - Smash

I love that game!

mouth_brood,

In rainbows?

Kecessa,

Also a great album, I just feel the other two were their peak and contrary to Green Day (that I also mentioned), I’ve continued listening to Radiohead, including their new albums and they’re all great!

BigBrainBrett2517,

Fair enough ‘Steal This Album’ has a few flat tracks but there are so many great songs. Also, every song on Mezmerize is wicked. Granted, not in the same mood as Toxicity but far out… So so good.

MacFearrs,

I agree that Songs for the deaf is QOTSA’s magnum opus, but majority of their other albums are bangers too and it feels unfair to say they fell off after it

Kecessa, (edited )

Oh for sure, I can listen to all their albums and be totally happy no matter which one I chose, SftD just has something special.

sorrowl,

Disagree on Green Day and SoaD, imo American Idiot is green days best album and Mezmerize and Hypnotize are slightly better than Toxicity.

Kecessa,

I just really don’t like Daron’s voice 😂

As for Green Day, I feel like American idiot is the album where we could see they were really letting go of their punk roots and wanted to make stuff that would sell… But Dookie was my first cassette ever so I’m biased.

sorrowl,

Yeah that’s fair, and dookie is a really good album, though I do like american idiot more. Jesus of Suburbia, Homecoming, Holiday, Boulevard and American Idiot are just such bangers and the concept of the album is just really cool.

RampantParanoia2365,

No way with Green Day. Insomniac, Nimrod, and American Idiot are all excellent.

beefcat,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

The thing that impresses me so much about Green Day is that they peaked, had the usual big falloff in quality a few albums later, then they peaked again about a decade after Dookie. I can’t think of any other band that managed to do this off the top of my head.

RampantParanoia2365,

Yep. Although I really just think of Warning as one OK album in a run of great first 7 albums, which is a pretty remarkable.

Varixable,

Songs for the Deaf is incredible, but how could you say they fell off when Like Clockwork Era Vulgaris exists and is clearly their best album all the way through?

Kecessa,

“fell off” is interpreted very strongly by some, I just see it as “here’s their peak, after that they never made something quite as good as that”

And to me that’s SftD even if EV is still awesome!

mhredox,

100%

Era Vulgaris is by far my favorite album of theirs.

wolfshadowheart,

QoS has a bunch of awesome albums after Songs for the Deaf. Unless we’re talking about popularity, but quality def not.

Kecessa,

I never said they don’t, I said that to me it’s the best and nothing else they released was as good, it doesn’t mean the rest isn’t good.

mhredox,

I’d have to disagree with QotSA, but I can definitely see why. I’m a huuuge fan of theirs, but for some reason every new QotSA album seems to take years for me to fully appreciate. I absolutely hated Era Vulgaris when it first came out. It’s by far my favorite album of theirs now. Even …like clockwork is barely starting to really grow on me, but I’m definitely coming around. I haven’t even bothered to listen to their newest one yet.

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