Well, an instance could decide they wanted to try to make money, but I think everyone would just bail on them. People are more than happy to help out servers with donations, no need to make it a business venture.
I don’t think so. There are very few communities that actually successfully fully left reddit. A good number of them splintered across circlejerkers on multiple lemmy instances with the users remaining on reddit asking “what’s a lemmy” and staying put. The vast majority never left reddit at all, and don’t give a fuck that reddit is trying to build a business.
Where the lemmy hivemind fails is that a bunch of us are reddit refugees that lost our favorite mobile apps, so you get a bunch of delusional people here thinking that reddit is dead and lemmy is the best thing ever. It’s not. Lemmy has a lot of the same problems reddit had, and we’re just repeating history. Wait until you need to squash extremism, prevent illegal content, and people maintaining the main instance (don’t kid yourself, it’s lemmy.world) need to eat.
For me, that’s not the case. I enjoyed the amount of content and discussion, but I just lost interest in reddit over time.
I saw the same jokes too often. I got sick of seeing the ads. The admins perma-banned my fiancee’s account, despite her never really commenting or posting. They never gave a reason for banning her, other than going against “policy”, which they never specified when asked. It would be the equivilant of being banned from every single instance. Some of the “helpful” communities were becoming much more toxic over time. I stayed despite that stuff.
Then, the API thing happened. It wasn’t that reddit wanted to profit, but rather how they went about it. Had they been honest with the developers when they asked at the start of the contract year, it would have been much smoother. You can’t change the cost of a yearly subscription halfway through the year. I disliked the provable false rumors that were spread about developers.
I disliked that Spez heavily implied that people leaving reddit would harm reddit employees. He didn’t make that statement about someone who made those threats, but instead he made it about the people leaving. It left a very bad taste in my mouth. I’m not monetarily supporting someone like that if I have any say in the matter.
I disliked the sudden overwhelming toxicity that I saw start against people who were recommending Lemmy. I get being rude to people who are rude, but it’s lame to be rude just because. Someone told me that I would be back, that I should just wait to see them right. That person helped me stay off reddit, tbh.
I don’t understand fanaticism, regardless of the company/platform/group, etc. If I start to dislike a social media, I will move somewhere that I like better. If Lemmy becomes like what Reddit is today, I’ll leave Lemmy too. There’s always something else. I also don’t really care if Reddit sinks or swims. That has nothing to do with me. If I get sick of all social media, I won’t use it. There are lots of other things to do with free time.
I picture the problem being someone doing that low-key. It’s common for app developers to get offers to install privacy-violating code in exchange for very tempting amounts of money - like, have a somewhat successful piano or to-do list app that you make $15k a year from? Wel, how about you install this spyware crap and we’ll give you $60,000. It’s difficult for small developers to say no. I could picture the same thing happening with Lemmy instances - a small change in ToS, some new JavaScript, and many people wouldn’t notice. At this point Lemmy members skew towards tech and privacy aware, but it could happen later on as the membership broadens.
They took way too long to come to town, and now they have and it has ads, I don’t even want it, since Liftoff has pretty much the same UI and without ads.
Yeah, but you can pay a pittance to remove the ads. It’s a one time fee of 3.50. Granted it’s still proprietary, but I chalk that up to the dev not knowing a lot about FOSS. Both the Sync and Boost devs came from developing Reddit apps and you need more cash flow to pay the proprietary API.
I don’t mind the news bot ones as much as the ask Reddit type threads that get crossposted here. If the OP can’t even see our responses (since the discussion is on Reddit), and a bot created the thread here on Lemmy, what the hell is the point.
I filtered off 99,9% of the bot from the setting, the rest seems pretty normal content. The “lack” of user is just what it is for a newly adopted platform. Ofk the small new community needs time but the progress in few months was incredible. We are not talking of social like Xitter/Thread, where all you need is to move the user and recreate the page. Reddit work as a big discussions database with years of old content wich new user search all the time to find guides and info, you can’t replace that overnight.
The scenario of companies opting to host instances may happen, just to try to jump into the bandwagon, which could imply they could/would at some point start to run ads but I’d risk the instance would quickly be defederated and/or turned into a hell pit.
But the notion of seeing an instance being run by GOG, Valve/Steam (not a client or fan but I aknowledge they have put a lot of work towards Linux and gained a lot of support because of it), AMD (fanboy here, give me a pass), RPi (I am aware of the shady turn they have undergone) and other companies that have some degree of respect in the Fediverse could be interesting.
Read on one thread here about the RPi5 they took the evil route by funneling most of their stock to enterprise customers, which hurts the DIY hobbyist and end users trying to get hardware for the proposed purpose, which should be experimenting and learning.
I’ve loved the thoughtful discourse on Lemmy, I’ve grown weary of seeing news about reddit in the feed. Reddit died long before this last bit, becoming a haven for a particular, ill informed, consensus seeking group.
Then tonight, I had a reddit moment here on Lemmy where some non socialized, rude, consensus seeking user wanted to snipe and sounded like an over protected , suburban, adolescent boy.
I haven’t seen one of those here yet and they are the absolute plague of open discourse .
At one hand, I like lemmy for being smaller and cozier, but on the other, the possibility of reddit becoming unprofitable due to lost users is so awesome to be missed.
lemmy is exactly the same. each community has a set of mods who can basically do whatever they want that was always the problem with reddit. express an opinion a moderator doesn’t like? you’re banned say something unpopular? your comment drops to nothing and never gets read Lemmy doesn’t solve that problem. it’s only better than reddit right now, because its new as soon as more people discover it, the exact same story will play out again enjoy it while it lasts!
Here, we can test it. “I’m a christian. Anal sex is associated with increased transmission of infectious diseases.”
Some identities are protected, some arent. Even factual statements can be misinterpreted as “phobias” or “discrimination” combine the two, and its easy to get banned.
all of these online communities are just a method for basement dwelling LARPers to get their kicks and pretend to be thought police. If any genuine interactions occur, it’s by accident, not by design. I’m here for the beautiful accidents, but I fully realize it’s just a countdown timer to me being banned and i don’t care. i could get banned from every lemmy instance right this second and i wouldn’t care. All this is to me, is an opportunity to knock on your door, offer a chance to you to wake the fuck up and realize you’re being manipulated. I learned that I was a christian while I was tripping balls on psychedelics. We’re all the same consciousness, down to every atom, every insect, and every human. Gender doesn’t exist. We’re on a planet that is doomed to end in fire either sooner, or later. And the universe will eventually go dark no matter what we do. And you’re being manipulated into thinking there is no God because you’re easier to control that way.
How come you became a Christian while tripping? Was it shrooms, acid or something else? Do you act on your beliefs in some way, like going to church or reading Kierkegaard?
Well it would be great if people could disagree without being disagreeable. Without disparaging others or name calling, belittling etc etc. But people will be people that much is guaranteed
A Reddit has subreddits as well (communities inside)
Your account is made on and tied to a specific Reddit of your choice.
Your Reddit and its “stuff” can be seen by other Reddits normally.
However, if one Reddit decided they don’t fuck with your Reddit, they can remove it from their list of reddits they fuck with. This means that Reddit and their users won’t see your Reddit’s stuff anymore
It’s kinda like instead of having 1 cafeteria with a Bunch of lunch tables, we have a bunch of cafeterias, and each table can decide if they want to block out another cafeteria so they don’t have to hear them anymore. This doesn’t affect other cafeterias or who they do want to hear.
Reddit = Lemmy instance Subreddit = lemmy community
Hope this helped! Please correct me if I’m wrong as well
No, think of every instance as it’s own independent “reddit” that links to each other, and you can subscribe to and comment on the “subreddits” (called “communities”) of not just your home “reddit”, but the “subreddits” of other linked “reddits” with just one account.
Most of reddit’s content is user generated to some extent. If there’s bad content, it’s because of people. Most of lemmy’s content is user generated. Same cause same consequence.
If we want to delve into what could be different… moderation. Made by people (aside from very far-reaching illegal stuff, on both platforms).
Conclusion: the problem is people, not reddit nor lemmy.
If people will be people, the interesting difference will be how the platform works. I guess this is the true test of the federated approach. What does it hinder or facilitate in practice and what are the actual effects?
ITT: “My problem with this platform where nobody is in charge is that it has more extremists than the platform where a for-profit corporation is in charge.”
Freedom of speech allows for freedom for everybody to speak for better or worse. This is an essential human right and should not be suppressed unless it harms one another.
Ok but how do we set ourselves apart? Almost every new community is just reddit clone. There isn’t innovation. We are better and smarter and more dedicated, but we are just putting up with being decentralized reddit.
That’s a good retort, actually. Huh. I didn’t like reddit much, and I guess ideally I’d use more of a decentralized tumblr or something else new and experimental. Lemmy is probably the wrong space for me, in that case…
Last I checked, there is nothing like !digitalbioacoustics on reddit, I briefly ran an animal communication sub there, but abandoned it when I switched over a few months ago. There’s lots of exciting stuff happening at the intersection of AI and animal communication!
This blog post makes a point about how the strength of the Fediverse is that things can be decentralized into topic-specific instances instead of general use communities.
I am on StarTrek.Website. We only host Star Trek communities. It is much nicer there than on Lemmy.World.
Lemmy has just as many terminally online weirdos as reddit, except I’ve noticed there’s a higher concentration of extremists. In my short time here, I’ve been threatened by someone to dox me and accuse me as a pedophile, and another person wishing death upon me because I disagreed with them about policing. Definitely still some weirdos here
Was the pedophile accusation in the same thread in which you were claiming drag shows are too sexual for children? Was the disagreement about policing in the thread where you said rehabilitation doesn’t work and the only way to keep society safe is to lock up more people?
e1: the post wishing death on @cricket97 was in response to their multiple comments defending the dangerous actions of police that resulted in the death of a bystander made in a thread on !thepoliceproblem, which has explicit rules against defending the police.
here’s the post:
CW: descriptions of death___ You’re a bootlicking asshole who worships cops. Your idea of justice is catch the “criminal” and damn anyone that gets in the way. Fuck you man. I hope you become some of that collateral damage one day. I hope your family gets to miss you because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time as some careless pig chased a stolen car straight into your driver’s side door.
and here’s the thread in question in case anyone else wants to read it
I’m not surprised it was the police problem, they think police should be unable to do anything, companies should accept theft as a cost of doing business, and they will scream like chimpanzees in the comments if you disagree with them.
I’m not sure. I want to look it up and see what was said to them so I asked about the two threads they were commenting in most recently that it could be.
So what? None of those opinions justify the threats I got. I do think drag shows are often too sexual for children. And I do believe rehabilitation should take a backseat to keeping people on the street safe. That was the basis for which I received those threats for, and predictably people like you come and imply I deserve it.
I haven’t had time to read the drag show thread but I didn’t see anyone wishing death upon you in the policing thread after a quick glance. Can you link it if I missed that reply?
lemmy.world/comment/3879109 here is the comment wishing death upon me.
I’ll keep searching for the one that threatened to hack me and dox me as a pedophile who raped kids. It actually wasn’t in either of the two threads mentioned, it was another thread.
thanks for providing the link! lemmy modlog can be hard to navigate sometimes so i understand it might take a while to chase the other post down.
you went into a thread in !thepoliceproblem about an innocent bystander getting killed due to cops actions and defended the police. here’s the other person’s entire reply, for posterity:
cw: descriptions of deathYou’re a bootlicking asshole who worships cops. Your idea of justice is catch the “criminal” and damn anyone that gets in the way. Fuck you man. I hope you become some of that collateral damage one day. I hope your family gets to miss you because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time as some careless pig chased a stolen car straight into your driver’s side door.
I do not hope that you die.
after reading your responses in that thread i do think that person is right about everything else though. you go out of your way to defend the criminal justice system and the carceral state in the context of a discussion about how it’s endangering bystanders in a space that is explicitly about the problems with the carceral state, the criminal justice system and militant policing.
you’re the problem in that thread, not someone mouthing off because you didn’t read the room.
the room, by the way, has “If you’re here to support the police, you’re trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.” as rule number two right there in the sidebar, so there’s really no excuse for acting the way you did and then snapping back at the person who politely pointed that out to you later in that thread.
This all seems like excuses to justify someone wishing death upon another person. Btw, this showed up on the frontpage, and I’m not going to read the novel of rules for every single subreddit (or whatever the lemmy equivalent is) I participate in. Although they do have the right to ban me (which they did and I’m not complaining).
tl;dr wishing death upon other commenters is fine as long as they are posting something that is disagreeable
① Real-life decorum is expected. Please don’t say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.
② If you’re here to support the police, you’re trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
③ Saying cops should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They’re about killing people; we’re not.
Please also abide by the instance rules.
That’s for anyone reading along, I believe you when you say you’re not gonna read them.
I don’t wish death on you.
You seem like a heartless and knowingly thoughtless person who feels entitled to be heard but not to listen or abide by norms, complaining of the wounds others have put upon you but silent about your own transgressions.
My sympathy lies with the embattled users afflicted by your awful posts rather than you, cursed to know that people who interact with you hate you.
I don’t think that’s all there is to you. If you want to be seen in a more charitable light, maybe read all those rules before you post, take some time to consider the place, time and context of what you’re reading and of course, remember the person on the other side of the keyboard.
You can also use a platform that accepts your behavior. Reddit and twitter aren’t closed to new users.
I’m not complaining about people disagreeing with me, I’m complaining about people wishing death upon me. And to be honest, I don’t really care, but I think the fact that people are willing to stoop that low over simple differences in opinion is demonstrative of the quality of person I’m dealing with. I’m just a dude who has some opinions that would only be controversial on a place as terminally online as Lemmy, who are often completely consumed by the culture war nonsense who believe any criticism of your own side means you are supporting the other.
You seem like a heartless and knowingly thoughtless person who feels entitled to be heard but not to listen or abide by norms, complaining of the wounds others have put upon you but silent about your own transgressions.
Get a grip on yourself. This line is hilarious when you consider the context of a disagreement in a comment section.
It’s worth restating that you gave your pro cop opinion over and over again in a thread about a tragic bystander death caused by cops made in a community for discussing problems and effects of the carceral state that had explicit rules against acting the way you did.
You’re a lot closer to westboro baptist protesting funerals than some high minded equal exchange in the free market of ideas.
I don’t hope you die, but I do hope you learn to post better.
My opinion was “no I don’t think we should let criminals get away because of a freak accident”. It’s not that serious, I saw a post on my frontpage and I commented on it. boo fucking hoo, you’re pretending like my relatively milquetoast opinion is some moral failing.
A wreck in a high speed chase isn’t a freak accident. It happens all the time. High speed pursuits are dangerous. The police know it, that’s why cops have helicopters and drones to avoid getting in them.
Further, we’re not talking hypothetically. Cops chased a stolen car into a bystander in the attempt to do just what you’re suggesting. An innocent person died so they could catch the criminal.
For what? Retribution? To recover the car? Were either of those worth that woman’s life? I don’t think so and i can’t imagine anyone who would!
The very thing you espoused, the cops not letting the person escape even though they knew it was dangerous to everyone around, led to the loss of innocent life! It would have been better if they had never given chase and the car was lost forever!
Unless of course a person getting punished for theft and a car being recovered is worth a life.
So you can crawl down off the cross, your opinion isn’t milquetoast and it’s hard to imagine a world where holding it in this day and age isn’t a moral failing.
Can you imagine what would happen if the criteria for getting away from a cop after a crime is just “drive fast for a little bit”? Can you imagine the chaos then? The issue is that there’s no distinct line between chasing a criminal and becoming a high speed chase. Are cop cars not allowed to pursue fleeing criminals at all? Just if they’re all going the speed limit? But the moment they go over the cops have to bail? Sure, maybe they should lean into drone technology more, but I really dislike the idea of letting criminals get away, as it will simply inspire more criminal. I believe the amount of carjackings would skyrocket if getting away was as easy as driving fast.
You can disagree with me all you want but there’s a lot more to this topic and there’s a reason why cops chase down criminals in nearly every country.
No, they commented on an article about an innocent bystander being killed by a criminal fleeing the law. And I certainly don’t support people forming a rabid circle jerk and banning anyone who disagrees with them, regardless of the topic.
Both you, and the person you’re agreeing with, need to re-think your lives a bit, because neither of you seem to be able to cope with someone disagreeing with you in a civilised manner.
I said (in the context of violent criminals) that rehabilitation should not be the main goal but rather keeping dangerous people away from functioning members of society.
TPP are really, really dumb, and will scream like chimpanzees every time someone disagrees with them. I’m not surprised they sent death threats to someone for saying they’d like to see criminals caught.
the Reddit nightmare when someone tells you to go KYS over something as innocuous as a differing opinion on games…and so you report a KYS comment and then the Reddit admin simply send you the suicide hotline and dust off their hands. NAILED IT.
I hope he’s from a civilized country. In europe we have in many countries excellent public transport. If you are seeing crackheads all day long in trains you’re probably from US.
Yeah once someone on fuckcars found a post of my car in a car sub. The idea I have a car I like, yet dislike the fact I need a car, seemed to break their brain. In true reddit fashion they were instantly in cringe debate-bro mode.
Childfree is another one full of weirdos who take it to a whole other level.
Yeah, there’s a few places that get stuck in a purity cycle. It’s not enough to dislike cars and think they shouldn’t have such a special status in our society; they need to be gone entirely, with zero consideration for deliveries, people with disabilities, how to rearrange existing cities to make this work, or other special factors. It’s not enough to resist societal pressure to have children; people who have children are evil for even bringing up a child in a world of doom.
I’m on board with both. Been building a DIY e-bike conversion to reduce dependence on cars, and my wife and I long ago decided not to have kids (and took steps to permanently make sure it doesn’t happen). The extreme versions of these views aren’t productive.
I made the mistake of checking the inbox on my old Reddit account, and there was a new reply from a post I made a year ago. It was one giant paragraph with few punctuation marks and almost all lowercase. It started out with “you sound dumb”, went on to say I need to accept Christ into my heart, and that the devil was using me as a tool and would spit me out when he’s done with me.
What was it in reply to? I said a guy cited in the article was a crank, and not a real scientist, because he believed the moon was made of plasma.
I mentioned a few ways the Democrats and Republicans are similar and the “open” minded Democrats just started trying to demean me. Not one Republican btw. Blows my mind the irony of these extremists.
Wait but I like terminally online weirdos, and radicals… Maybe thos with better social skills though rofl. Anyway consider yourself doxxed and swatted and swiftied and your house is being eaten by antifascist carpenter ants.
I never denied anything about it. That’s your fantasy, bro. But that you don’t understand what the word holocaust means and that you are doing holocaust-relativism is a fact. Everybody can read your messages here on the platform.
Um es noch mal in deutsch auszudrücken: Ich schäme mich für dich, dass du sämtliche Aufarbeitungsdiskurse in diesem Land komplett ignorierst.
Ich finde es lustiger. Außerdem kann ich kein chinesisch, das müsstest du eigentlich wissen. Umso trauriger, dass mir ein Holocaust-Relativierer diesen Vorwurf macht. Du müsstest eigentlich als Vermieter so sehr gebildet sein, dass du wüßtest warum dieser Vorwurf dir gegenüber gerechtfertigt ist - stattdessen kommt nur bürgerliche und liberale Propaganda deinerseits.
Weißt du, wir Wessis haben auch besseres verdient als so Vermieter, deren einziges Problem in der Welt China ist. Wir haben hier z.B. zu hohe Mieten, da müsste man mal dran. Aber das geht nicht, weil dann die Vermieter rumheulen, dass sie dann richtig arbeiten müssen. Und richtig arbeiten ist natürlich kacke, dann kann man im Internet nicht mehr über China rumheulen.
What does the Great Leap Forward mean? What is the great Cultural Revolution? What does Tianenmen square massacre mean? What happens to the uyghurs right now?
The last time we spoke you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer any of these questions.
I provide Jobs to more than 10 People and pay them over median of what that field offers. I also provide housing and the security to not become homeless to over 20 Households.
What do you provide apart from a moral highground and CCP Propaganda?
And why yes my net worth is over 2 Million, thanks for noticing.
L Take + coomunism + okay communist + capitalism is when you’re poor + communism is when our glorious leader makes us all starve + all hail the USSR + over 60 Million Deaths + 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region
What does the Great Leap Forward mean? What is the great Cultural Revolution? What does Tianenmen square massacre mean? What happens to the uyghurs right now?
The last time we spoke you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer any of these questions.
If i did, how would i spend my weekend?
Lemmy is still kinda empty, i have nothing better here to do than to tell people who dont touch grass how much not grass touching they’re doing.
I am enough of an ass to keep going. I will stop when we get more normal stuff to talk about.
Not talking about you. I’m talking about the genocide deniers and "when you bring counter arguments that i have no answer to i will just argue with you on something else"people.
Alcohol is fine if it’s your cope or fun method.
Tankies aren’t drunk tho
The service may change but the people don’t. The average human just isnt terribly bright and there’s always going to be dumbass kids and loser adults with too much free time posting low effort regurgitated content. We hit that point when the nostupidquestions/advice sub’s did in fact start to be filled with stupid questions.
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