tetraodon,

As an Arch user, I love Mint. On my wife’s laptop. So I can focus on breaking mine.

Creatortray,

I’m really enjoying zorin right now.

Mio,

Why don’t Windows/MacOS need snaps/flatpak?

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Because every app gives it’s own installer and annoying “Please update!” popup

BlackPit,

I’ve tested over 40 Linux distributions over a long span of time, but I’ve never tried Mint. The reason being that all three times I’ve read something nice that inspired me to try it again the download hashes don’t match, and we find out their servers were compromised. How’s that going?

OsrsNeedsF2P,

In 5+ years of OSS, only once have I even heard of hashes not matching and a build server being compromised, and it was fixed within 30 minutes. It was also a very big deal.

Basically, what you’re saying and what a quick search on Google shows seems to suggest user error.

BlackPit,

Lol, well there’s no way I can “prove” it not having taken screenshots and archived them. It’s been well over five years since the last time. I’ll save you the humble boast, but no user error here regarding verifying ISOs.

queue,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Linux Mint has a Debian edition available, I’m curious about that one.

kirk782,
@kirk782@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It is a long term release based on Debian so that if Canonical goes down someday and Ubuntu falls, they will have a fallback base distro to remain on.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

Jokes aside, this kind of gatekeeping behavior is what gives Linux a bad name. Also, you don’t have to be a beginner to love Linux Mint.

Pantherina,

You just have to not care about Wayland ;D or modern software

electric_nan,

You don’t have to be a beginner to love Mint. I am very happy that they are putting more energy into the Debian edition. I’ve tried lots of other distros over the years, and I am just comfortable in Mint.

chicken,

Still using Mint, see no reason to change

Brekky,

What are snaps and telemetry?

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Snaps are a package format that handle dependencies differently. People don’t like them because of increased startup time.

Telemetry is when software sends analytics back to the parent company. Ubuntu does very basic telemetry, but people like to compare it to Windows

ichbinjasokreativ,

Ubuntu asks you if you’re fine with sending usage statistics to canonical and if you say ‘no’, the distro won’t send anything and never ask you again*

Dkiscoo,

I keep hearing people complain about snaps but I don’t know the good or bad about them

ILikeBoobies,

Good - Snaps are more advanced flat packs

Bad - Made by the company that makes Ubuntu

daniskarma,

Worse thing about snaps is that the server that provides them is propietary and owned by canonical.

Open source people tend not to like when things are not open source.

Other than that they are like flakpacks but blessed by canonical. Sometimes they are more curated or there’s more official releases on snaps that flakpacks.

Both are a way to deliver software without falling in dependency hell and kind of isolated and more secure(?).

Also is a way to wait 10-15 seconds to launch a simple app so there’s that.

dewritoninja,

The only snap I’ve had troubles with is vscode. Other tnsn that’s it’s been like using an apt app

HiddenLayer5,

Out of the mainstream distros what might end up getting bought by Google or even Microsoft, Ubuntu seems to me like the most likely candidate.

I mean, RedHat was once the even more likely candidate, but

banneryear1868,

RedHat is unapologetically the Enterprise Linux so they’re very close to Windows Server in that way.

Limit, (edited )

I find Redhat annoying with how they lock down access to KB articles unless you have a subscription and certain "proprietary " things they do but I managed over 500 RHEL 7 and 8 servers at my previous job and I will say that their support is excellent, and RHEL is rock solid. Satellite server on the other hand, that thing is a steaming pile of garbage…

h3rm17,

You can create a free developer account. They don’t really check you are a developer either.

banneryear1868,

Yeah Satellite was the worst thing about managing RHEL but it’s still leagues better than similar products for Windows. We basically just used Sat for licensing and as a local repo so it wasn’t too bad for that. We started using Ansible more just as I left my sysadmin career. Lots of rhel with rac and jboss.

Alborlin,

Serious question , my laptop is getting old. 7-8, years now I don’t want to put money in tech for w new one. I want to use it with Linux , as I just use for very Norma stuff and Zero gaming. My use cases will be use of office, use if browsers, simple image editors, pdf reader and manipulation, copying images from to and from HDD , copying media to HDD etc. Connecting iPhone, android for file uploading download etc.

I don’t want hassle of

  1. Find a reaposiroty, install an extra ackages except for softwares
  2. Give any command viq terminal. 3.find any dependency for ANYTHING
  3. Use it as regular person

What Linux will just work? I mean simple install and start using.

krakenx,

Mint.

Ashiette,

Pop!_OS or Zorin features all of those criteria. Mint, a little less. I’d go with Zorin. Everything works out of the box.

Alborlin,

Hmm zorin seems to be the one possible I can use. Do you know where I can learn about dividing my disk in half. And dual boot the os

meekah,
@meekah@lemmy.world avatar

you’re looking to ‘split a partition’.

www.pcmag.com/…/how-to-partition-a-hard-drive

ominouslemon,

None of the usual big distros is gonna force to do any of that. Try Mint or Ubuntu, you’re gonna be absolutely fine

warmaster,

Get a Thumbdrive and flash it with Ventoy, load it up with every ISOs you want to try and vive each one a go, the one that works nest for you, is the one you keep.

Index_Case, (edited )

In my newbie experience, the answer is: No.

There are still random snags and blocks to things you will probably expect or want to be able to do.

That being said, it’s sooooo much better than is was. If those snags are minor and not irritating for you, you’ll be able to work around them, I think.

And the wider community can be friendly and helpful, though not always empathetic / fully understanding of the lack of Linux knowledge you might be starting from, (again) in my experience.

Haven’t tried to print anything yet either…printers always seem to Bork on nearly every OS…

Edit: first installed Linux mint this week on a dell XPS laptop.

Alborlin,

how about using winword ? and excel. I know there exists alterntives on linux, but I have seen that open office wrekcs havoc on document formatting. is there a if not as good as , but next to good word editor for linux and is it out of box ?

Index_Case,

Sorry, not actually used any Linux office packages yet. Briefly used office365 online, which was, as you’d expect, more or less the same experience as windows / Mac.

Have had a look around and there are, apparently, as many opinions about which Linux office suit is best as there are possible usage situations or different office suits… 🥲

ILikeBoobies,

Not worth it, especially trying to get ITunes to work

ichbinjasokreativ,

I’d recommend you just try one of the mainstream distros with gnome or KDE. Something like Ubuntu, mint, fedora etc and see if you like it. There’s going to be a short period where you’ll need to adapt to the new environment, but you’ll be fine afterwards.

rikonium,

iTunes will probably be the toughest. I lean on iTunes for syncing files, media, local backups and if I had to ditch Windows tomorrow and decided Linux, I would set up iTunes in a Windows VM since I don’t think there’s any other workaround currently.

JCreazy,

I was running Linux Mint until the other day when I found out Linux Mint Debian Edition existed so I installed that. I’m a recent Linux convert and I can safely say that Lemmy might have partially been the reason. I’ve been loving it so far.

beeng,

What if I don’t like the windows start bar feel of Mint?

RmDebArc_5,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Zorin or Pop OS, or reconfigure it

chillytuna,

@beeng @RmDebArc_5 I'm not a Mint user, but you can switch it out for an Openbox/Tint2 config pretty easily (I think!).

PopShark,

Does Mint support arm64 yet? I would be ecstatic for a mint VM in parallels on my MacBook but last time I tried I couldn’t I don’t think. Stock Ubuntu is just… okay but I always loved the out of box experience and look and feel of mint it was my choice for dual booting years ago on old windows laptops

Underwaterbob,

All the talk of Mint lately. Looks like my fifteen-year Ubuntu streak may be coming to an end. Will I, decidedly not a power-user just an Internet browser, occasional game player, Csound programmer, Libreoffice user notice a difference? Is Mint better at printing? That’s the only real problem I’ve had with Ubuntu over the years.

Johanno,

In my experience Linux is better at printing than windows. Especially debian based distros.

However you can just Google your printer and see if there are issues.

Edit: can’t read. I don’t know if there will be any change on printing since mint really just removes snap and Ubuntu stuff and adds flatpak and a few smaller details.

Underwaterbob,

It was weird. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS printed perfectly. First try, every time. Barring printer issues not related to the OS anyway. Then, 20.04 dropped, and I couldn’t print anything. For two years, I had to move files to the Mac on the front desk to print at work because it refused to print anything. Same printer. I tried a few fixes people had posted, but none worked for me, and most fixes were for HP printers and mine is an Epson, which no one reported any problems with.

Now, with 22.04, I get intermittent printing. It works more often than not, but I’d estimate my print jobs get randomly canceled about 30% of the time. Which is annoying, but not deal-breaking since I usually just push it through again, and it works. To be fair, it might be because of wireless printing, but I doubt it since like I said, 18.04 worked flawlessly with the exact same setup. I might just try out Mint sometime and see if it makes a difference.

chillytuna,

@Underwaterbob @Johanno Have you considered using a Raspberry Pi as a printer server? It might not be ideal, but - if it (the Pi) is physically connected to your printer - I wonder if it could negate the 30% failure rate?

Underwaterbob,

That sounds like a lot of trouble and potential trouble for people who use the printer who don’t have the trouble I do. I can live with the failure rate. It happens quickly, and I can just print again. If Mint fixes it, that’s great!

Johanno,

You can try. I think nobody understands printer

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