DemBoSain,
@DemBoSain@midwest.social avatar

I always click randomly on the first 2 attempts to mislead the AI. Hopefully you did the same, and when the robots come to kill us the grease will freeze up and they won’t be able to move.

irotsoma,
@irotsoma@lemmy.world avatar

That’s exactly what the model is trying to learn.

dangblingus,

If you’re wondering why does it seem so strange, it’s because the learning model is actually hyper sophisticated now. It knows what a bus, a bicycle, and a sailboat looks like, now it’s asking for comparative assessments of complex images. It clearly understands that snow is covering houses and that snow is cold.

tias,

OK, but that doesn’t explain why anybody thinks that this is good UX.

Yearly1845,

It isn’t supposed to be a good user experience, it’s supposed to train their AI models, and they figured out how to get you to do it for free.

merc,

And a perfect opportunity to poison ML models.

GizmoLion,
GizmoLion avatar

You wish lol. In truth they can serve this to as many users as they want, and catch garbage outlier responses.

merc,

Only if those responses are outliers. If enough people do it, the data gets corrupted.

Malfeasant,

Go home, robot, you’re drunk

shadearg,
@shadearg@lemmy.world avatar

There’s an example at the top along with the instructions.

This ain’t exactly the Mississippi.

RizzRustbolt,

Whole lot of AIs in this thread.

kite,

I got one the other day that had the third column of images completely cut off on mobile. Didn’t matter what browser I tried. I had to wait until I could get to a desktop to try and access the site.

BustinJiber,

I worry about commenters in this post that seem to take this as some sort of highly complex problem verging on philosophical rather than a silly little riddle to go through as fast as possible to get to the primary part of website.

dukethorion,
@dukethorion@lemmy.world avatar

Wait until it has us picking between Good images and Bad ones, to train the AI

RizzRustbolt,

That is exactly what this is.

Buddahriffic,

“Please select all targets that should be shot before they have a chance to get away.”

octoperson, (edited )

Only number 3 conveys the concept of warmth to me. A wintry scene contrasted with orange tinged light visible through house windows is a classic trope to evoke warmth and cosiness. The interiors are undoubtedly a physically higher temperature at the location of the photographer, but that is not being communicated visually by the picture.

What “of one type” means, I have no clue.

BustinJiber,

I think lack of snow could be communicating the higher temperature.

octoperson,

Most pictures lack snow. You’d expect the interior of a room to lack snow. Lack of snow alone does not communicate anything unless it’s in a context where you’d normally expect there to be snow.

If I was a visual designer, and I was tasked with providing a picture to represent warmth, I might choose, I don’t know; hands in mittens clutching steaming mugs of cocoa, a cat snoozing in front of a roaring fire, or what else? Welcoming light shining from the windows of a house in a snowy landscape! If I submitted a nondescript photo off of a real estate listing, and said “look bro! No snow”, I’d be looking for a new job.

dangblingus,

It’s asking for temperature wow cmon

octoperson,

Nope. It asked which appears warmer. Warmth is about subjective feelings of comfort - it’s not a direct synonym for temperature. No-one describes getting burned as being lovely and warm.

BustinJiber,

Two of the nine pictures lack snow. Not really most.

This is an automated little riddle one goes through as fast as possible to get to the website, doesn’t really require any larger discussion on art or graphic design, as you not going to win it against a coded script.

octoperson,

Most pictures lack snow. Out of all the pictures in the world, most of them lack snow.

FishFace,

It’s the “of one type” that gets me - to me that says I should be examining either the outdoor or the indoor pictures, not comparing between those two types of picture. So I should somehow pick the warmest outdoor or warmest indoor pictures.

chicken,

I think it’s just asking you to pick the indoor pictures because they don’t have snow in them. The confusing wording is to trick AI trying to get through captchas.

Old_Dude,

It clearly says to select images of one type, not examine images of one type.

FishFace,

I would write it “Select all the images of the type which is warmer than the other type of image”

BilboBargains,

Is it the one that’s on fire?

Mandy,

The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is

Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?

mateomaui,

More surprising is how apparently some of you haven’t encountered captchas that employ nuance, and what seems like the obvious answer sometimes isn’t.

Honytawk,

The thing is that a captcha is made to be solvable by almost anyone.

So whatever you think the answer is, is probably one of the many correct responses.

Mandy,

my man, its a blizzard and indoors, what part of that has any more nuance than being beaten over the head with the answer

mateomaui, (edited )

The different snow images have different color tones, some matching that of the example image. The center image has a cool color tone, which doesn’t match. Captchas are made to defeat AI logic, so sometimes it’s not the obvious thing. It could very well possibly be selecting all images that match the color tone, something a bot may not work out. It could be just selecting indoor images. I wouldn’t know for certain until I got one of these and succeeded or failed. Personally I think it would be too easy for a bot to just ignore all images that have snow, or are mostly white, because that doesn’t resemble the example image at all.

edit: and in case it needs to be said, getting beaten over the head by anything doesn’t involve nuance. That’s the opposite of nuance.

Old_Dude,

There’s a sample picture of a living room, then pictures of living rooms and snowy houses.

mateomaui, (edited )

Yes, thank you for your entirely original response, and demonstrating again that many people lack depth in their thinking. Honestly it’s sad that you replied to that explanation with this.

I’m also starting to believe that some of you don’t understand what “sometimes the obvious looking answer isn’t the correct one” means.

moody,

I couldn’t get past “pick the smallest animal”

There was a large picture of a hummingbird, and a tiny panda. Both choices were wrong, apparently. They probably meant that I should pick the pettiest animal.

mateomaui,

Now that’s just fucking with us.

BluesF,

Captchas aren’t made to “defeat AI logic”, the human detection happens in part outside the picture selection part. The picture selection is for training AI. In this case you are training an AI to distinguish the (potentially abstract) concept of warmth.

mateomaui, (edited )

Semantics, whatever. In truth it’s both, if you stop long enough to actually think about it instead of parroting other replies that solely focus on AI training.

chicken,

Captchas are made to defeat AI logic, so sometimes it’s not the obvious thing. It could very well possibly be selecting all images that match the color tone, something a bot may not work out.

IMO the idea here is that most users are not thinking very hard, so they are going to see the word “warmer”, think “snow = cold” and leave their analysis at that. AI on the other hand is going to put more effort into interpreting the specific meaning of the request in context of the images. The primary challenge for captchas now is to defeat AI, so the captcha ideas that get through probably did so because they gave the AI trouble in testing, but did not give most users trouble.

I think that going forward, people who put thought into following specific directions accurately are going to have a lot of trouble with captchas.

mateomaui,

I can agree with most of this. Still don’t know for certain which interpretation would be the correct one for this captcha. Thank you for acknowledging that defeating AI is one of the goals, which seems obvious since they’re meant to determine if you’re human. idk why that’s difficult for some people to accept.

Old_Dude,

It even clearly gives an example of a picture of a living room.

skullgiver, (edited )
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  • geogle,
    @geogle@lemmy.world avatar

    Warm could also translate to “cozy” or overall “hue”. Neither would necessarily pick the indoor photos. I don’t think you need to be neurodivergent to be confused, maybe just a little more artistically minded.

    AlternateMrPapaya,

    Plus, there’s no way to know what the indoor temperature is. There may be no heating in the houses.

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  • force,

    It’s pretty frustrating when you need to do something relatively quickly and you get a captcha and get it “wrong” like 8 times because of this kind of bs. Especially annoying when you get captchas multiple times. It’s just wasting my time, I don’t have the patience for that shit.

    Mandy,

    okay that one is understandable, thank you

    isVeryLoud,

    Thanks for reminding me of my neurodivergence, I couldn’t figure it out either.

    I was starting to think “ok this one looks lit and cozy, and how am I supposed to tell how well insulated these houses are?”

    ArmoredThirteen,

    Am neurodivergent, didn’t even occur to me they’d be talking about snow vs indoors. I thought because it is a visual test they meant color temp which for me registered as the middle left, center bottom, and maybe an argument for bottom right.

    ComplacentGoat,
    @ComplacentGoat@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I thought the same thing. Was looking for the overall color temperature of the scene, but none really fit.

    kralk,

    Something that’s obvious to you isn’t necessarily obvious to everyone.

    TSG_Asmodeus,
    @TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

    The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is

    Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?

    This is an incredibly narrow view of people, and what ‘obvious’ is. This sentence is absolutely awful if you’re ESL in any way:

    Please select all images of one type that appear warmer in comparison to other images

    Even I stumbled for a second on that sentence. What the hell does ‘appear warmer’ mean? Colour, hue, saturation, is there a temperature reading on them? It can snow at zero degrees, but that middle image could be -20 for all we know; it’s in shadow and the only non-cool-colour in it is that orange rectangle.

    I mean, to me, it’s obvious that you add an apostrophe to ‘don’t’ but you didn’t. Your sentence also doesn’t end with a period. Does that mean I get to call you out for missing such an ‘obvious’ thing, and insult you for not doing it? You know, how obvious and dead simple writing your sentence correctly would be.

    nul,

    You have to touch the screen. The one thing bots can’t do.

    Drusas,

    I'd be with you if it weren't so obvious.

    errer,

    Doesn’t look like anything to me.

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