Presi300,
@Presi300@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you own something and it either gets taken away or it gets tarnished in some way, you are fully justified to pirate it…

LoamImprovement,

I can almost guarantee this was some stupid marketing exec’s idea. Someone had to write the code that interprets that you’re watching an episode that someone else has available for streaming. Any software dev worth their salt would have seen this request and said “This is the dumbest fucking idea I have ever seen in my life” and they probably had to make it anyway because it pays the bills.

Crass_Spektakel,
@Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world avatar

I rooted my 2013 Samsung TV and overclocked it from 800 to 1200Mhz (the whole system is actually build for 1200Mhz but only the Highend-Ones are qualified for it). To my surprise the amount of data it send to Samsung was quite reasonable but still I removed most of it. Full removal of Internet is not an option because then I lose HbbTV and Prime TV which is like 50% of what I use that device for. And since I rooted it I also use it for BS and the public broadcasting mediatheks. Also, it now runs Quake2 in 1920x1080 in ~20fps.

MaxVoltage,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

Buv this is why our community is built stronger 💪

KeenFlame,

Ah yes I want to watch the exact same thing I am watching but from another provider, definitely just take my money, hypercapitalist

gravitas_deficiency,

It’s called “Post-Purchase Monetization”, and it’s why your 65” OLED tv is so cheap. They capture and sell your viewing data - but only if you hook it up to an internet connection. So don’t hook them up to an internet connection.

grue,

and it’s why your 65” OLED tv is so cheap.

If this were true, the few remaining “dumb TVs” (e.g. from Spectre) wouldn’t be cost-competitive, but they are.

This abusive shit isn’t subsidizing the cost of the TV; it’s just padding the manufacturer’s profits.

steakmeout,

Spectre TVs are cheap because they compete at a lower tier and are priced to attract buyers to what is essentially an unknown brand.

MaxVoltage,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

Bro they dont have buttons and dont even let you change channels without logging on first with youf full social credit its mad world

Onsotumenh,

The question is how long that will help. Just recently read about the first TVs popping up that try to connect to any available open WiFi to phone home, regardless of your settings. Soon our TVs will need tinfoil hats 😱

gravitas_deficiency,

Jesus, really? That’s dismaying. Any chance you got a link?

Onsotumenh,

I couldn’t find it again, sorry. But it wasn’t any real brand that did this (yet), but cheap noname TV clones (similar to those Trojan horse android boxes). Not something you’d trust anyway, but didn’t expect them trying to bridge the gap to get telemetry.

gravitas_deficiency,

Yeah, seriously, that’s deeply sketchy if your TV basically starts trying to exploit your neighbor’s WiFi the second you plug it in. Wtf.

hal_5700X,
@hal_5700X@lemmy.world avatar

Dumb TV forever.

derf82,

There are almost no dumb TVs on the market. Just get a smart tv and don’t hook it up to the internet. Use a separate streaming box

grue,

There are almost no dumb TVs on the market.

And that’s why you go out of your way to find the few that remain.

fne8w2ah,

Just avoid those no-name Mainland Chinese boxes.

MaxVoltage,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

😂 😂 😂 😂 You think smart tv lets you NOT hook it up to wifi

experbia,
@experbia@lemmy.world avatar

I was able to trick mine by connecting it to an AP with all traffic blocked. it assumes their services are down or something? and just slips right back into working fine with no nags or ads.

MaxVoltage,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

Genius

derf82,

Yes, they do.

lemann,

Newer TCLs, Vizios, and stuff running Roku embedded no longer allow this, completing the setup is mandatory to be able to use them.

I assume you can just disconnect the internet after setup and they’ll be fine??

DeepGradientAscent,

What model TV do you have?

roofuskit,

I can tell from the interface it’s a Roku Smart TV of some sort. I have a TCL with Roku and it does not do this crap.

EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

get a rasberry pi device and install pi-hole on it

AlexisFR,
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

How? Did you got your dvd player hacked?

13617,

Newer TVs take screenshots and send em off to give you recommendations or ads for things you like.

AlexisFR,
@AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

Damn, that’s wonderful.

Persuader9421,

Most modern TVs have this lovely “feature” called Automatic Content Recognition so papa Google can tell when you’re watching.

0x2d,

i sadly do not have a dumb tv

my smart tv though has most stuff blocked by pihole and acr is off

PeterPoopshit,

Pretty soon you won’t be allowed to use a tv to watch stuff that isn’t state approved media from a state approved source. I had an airbnb once that was set up in such a way that you could sign in to any streaming service you wanted but hdmi was blocked. I doubt the owner intentionally did that but it’s scary to actually see this type of shit firsthand.

stelelor,

Replace state-approved with corporation-approved and yeah, this is our world now.

Ranger,

Both, states & megacorps hand in hand.

Reygle,
@Reygle@lemmy.world avatar

The SMART thing to do is to buy a DUMB TV. Pay a little more and get a real TV- you know. A display, with speakers and HDMI inputs. Nothing else.

Buffalox,

Why the F does it require a captcha to go to an Amazon page? I have no idea what you are trying to show, because I’m not doing that.

Reygle,
@Reygle@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds like a “you” problem, like you have a VPN connected.

Buffalox, (edited )

Nope, vanilla Firefox, no firewall no VPN or other fancy stuff.

Popus,

Lol that’s my exact tv!

Candybar121,

Oh wow, a link to a product sold on Amazon. I’ve never seen one of those before

helpImTrappedOnline,

It even says “currently unavailable”!

LemmyKnowsBest,

Even better!

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Scepters are horrendous pieces of shit.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Scepters are horrendous pieces of shit.

YMMV of course, but I’ve owned two Spectres. Rock solid, no problems. Decade later, they’re still going strong. /shrug

SheDiceToday,

Mine has worked fine for the past 4 years. What’s wrong with them?

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Not guarenteed for every single one to break but…yeah. they are known to break for no reason. hell when i was the electronics guy at walmart they came back broken right out of the box waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more then any other brand.

That is, until, walmart put out their onn trash.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Got any better options?

EdibleFriend,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

I’m particularly a huge fan of LG televisions. Of course that doesn’t help if you’re trying to avoid smart altogether.

Also if you’re going LG… Their televisions are great but don’t touch their fucking home appliances. Ever. I don’t get the discrepancy between the two different parts of the same company. Beautiful televisions but things like they’re washers and dryers are notoriously horrible pieces of shit.

Haha,

Underrated answer

Water1053,

Sometimes you have to be a bit more pragmatic. I’m not aware of any TV with HDR, Dolby Vision, OLED, etc. that isn’t smart and reasonably priced. Your best bet is to buy a smart TV and block Internet access.

Another thing you can do is visit the selfhosted subs and they can help you out with other things like pihole for blocking ads and intrusive network activity on your home network.

Twelve20two,

Getting pihole set up may just be my new year’s resolution.

corbin,

Yep, most of them won’t complain if you just never connect them to Wi-Fi during setup.

piecat,

There’s a pretty good chance they’ll get around it- if they aren’t already.

Samsung TV? You have a Samsung phone? There’s an easy way to jump the air gap.

Neighbor has a TV connected to the Internet? Send data to that TV and pretend you’re not connected to anything so the user doesn’t catch on.

Sir_Simon_Spamalot,

Pretty sure that’s straight up against the law. IANAL tho.

piecat,

That’s exactly how air tags work currently.

corbin,

No it’s not, AirTags are just Bluetooth beacons. When an iPhone or other apple device picks them up, the location data is uploaded to Apple’s servers and then sent to whoever owns the AirTag. There’s no two-way communication and the owner of the AirTag doesn’t get any personal info from the devices picking it up.

cheviotveneer,

Amazon already built it: www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk

lemann,

Apple HomeKit does something similar with BLE devices - if your phone goes out of range, they’ll connect to the closest Apple TV or HomePod to get internet access

Buffalox,

Page is localized, and is empty here. But hey, fuck Amazon anyways.

RunningInRVA,

I’d like to see where in the EULA it states your TV and Internet connection are used for hauling your neighbor’s data.

TangledHyphae,

I have never had any smart TV complain (yet) that I have never once connected wifi. I am guessing there would be lawsuits, that a physical device requiring internet and requiring you to connect it just to function, would get sued in a class action of some kind. I use other connection systems via HDMI to transcode media, and even people who still want TV do not need to connect the TV itself to wifi, since it should all come over through HDMI ideally (or DP or whatever cables it may be.)

redcalcium,

You’re going to love this free tv then. It’s free, and people has began receiving this tv since the last 3 months or so. In exchange for receiving this free tv, you’ll have to make some sacrifice:

  • The tv must be connected to internet at all times within 5 days of receiving it. You aren’t allowed to disconnect it (except due to brief internet outages)
  • There is a second screen on the bottom with camera that display ads. You aren’t allowed to obscure the second screen to hide ads.
  • No modification allowed. You can’t disconnect the second screen.
  • You aren’t allowed to block ads, even with pihole.

Breaking the ToS means your credit card would get charged $1000. Very fun TV.

corbin,

It does all those things because you explicitly agree to it before getting the TV. Not the same as paying outright for a TV that somehow needs a constant connection.

QuandaleDingle,

This is…dystopian…

thesilverpig,

I read 1984. It just took us a little longer to get there.

LukeMedia, (edited )

This may not be a popular opinion, but I personally see no issue with this if the terms of service and use are made clear and transparent before you order the device. Would I personally recommend or use the product? Hell no, but people having an informed choice, and choosing to accept these terms is perfectly fine imo.

redcalcium,

I agree with you. Instead of spending money to buy a smart tv and still getting ads and your data collected, I can see the appeal of paying $0 to get a smart tv riddled with ads and data collection. At least you’re not paying any money for the device. I just wish the opposite is also possible where you can buy a smart tv with zero ads and data collection.

TangledHyphae,

That all looks absolutely horrific, but clearly they have some customers somehow?

Raiderkev,

Or just don’t connect the smart TV to the Internet.

Ranger,

Or jailbreak your smart tv.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar
chirospasm, (edited )
@chirospasm@lemmy.ml avatar

This is what’s up. Buy a small Intel NUC, a USB-C combo Blueray & DVD player, and watch any service / play any content without the ridiculousness.

Spectres are reasonable TVs. Screen tech hasn’t improved drastically for the last few years, and streaming quality hasn’t had any major facelifts outside the frameworks we know and love – don’t let anyone fool you otherwise. Netflix, Hulu, Prime, etc., all stream comparably to one another.

Poem_for_your_sprog,

Can’t you just not connect it to the Internet?

MaxVoltage,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

Not anymore bud

Snapz,

Yes, worse, but also more money on something you don’t own - you just don’t get it, bro… It’s progress sorry I always confuse those words, profits.

kaotic,

This is why my TV does not have internet access.

aceshigh,
@aceshigh@lemmy.world avatar

I gave away my tv to a friend in need. That was the best thing I did for the both of us.

SupraMario,

I really don’t get why you would allow your tv Internet access anyways. A huge number of them carry tons of spyware that not only is on the TV but creates backdoors into your network.

Plopp,

Some TVs automatically latch on to any open network they can find, to do their connected thing, even if you don’t specifically give them access to your wifi.

SupraMario,

Your wifi shouldn’t be open anyways, hell I live in the middle of nowhere and my Wi-Fi network is locked.

Plopp,

I think you missed the point. It isn’t about your network or what good security practices are, it’s about what the TV does or is trying to do if you don’t connect it to your wifi. Open networks are out there whether we like it or not and some TVs will try to use them to call home.

mitchty,

Mr soldering iron fixes that easy enough good luck connecting to anything without a working antenna.

Argonne,

Source on backdoors?

SupraMario,

techfocus24.com/tcl-smart-tvs-may-have-chinese-ba…

I have a TCL even, but it’s not allowed on my wifi network at all. Have its Mac addy blocked, all my smart TVs are blocked. Wish they sold more non smart TV’s these days.

Argonne,

It seems like these are standard vulnerabilities that were patched. Happens all the time, especially with open source packages like Android

jasondj,

From a matter of convenience I could actually appreciate what they are trying to do.

Binge watching TV on disc, especially DVD, is frustrating. If you aren’t using the extra content (such as commentary), streaming is much better, as you can binge more episodes at a time or watch certain episodes without having to switch discs.

If I was unaware this was available on a streaming service I had, I’d appreciate the reminder. But I’d appreciate it more at or before the main menu, not during the content, and certainly not more than once (or reset when the disc is removed).

Kethal,

You like this episode of Futurama. Would you also like to watch this episode of Futurama?

jol,

It’s the amazon approach. You bought these jeans. Wanna buy them again?

CrowAirbrush,

I love when i buy a new bottom bracket from cycling webshop x.

After i finish the payment and move to a different website the ad there is that same bottom bracket again from cycling webshop x.

Do they not understand it’s a waste of space?

scrubbles,
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