Bishma,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I have few good things to say about the man, but I appreciate that Trump is using his campaign to highlight this administrations accomplishments.

jeffw,

I just had a disagreement with someone on Lemmy a couple days ago who said Biden did nothing for the LGBTQ+ community. Maybe we just need more Trump headlines to educate people? Y’know, since they don’t read headlines about Biden

prole,

It doesn’t matter. Cognitive dissonance is a lifestyle for these people. Which is why they’re the perfect tools for fascists

Socsa,

Lemmy is infested with right wing trolls pretending to be leftists.

disguy_ovahea,

They’re using the classic Republican move of encouraging abstaining from voting by highlighting Biden’s poor decisions. Trump’s supporters will vote him in if enough abstain. Inaction is action.

Trollception,

It’s like half of the general population supports him, and the other half supports Biden. Who would have thought different opinions on the topic would arise in a public forum.

kent_eh,

It’s like half of the general population supports him, and the other half supports Biden.

Less than a quarter support Trump.

The bigger problem is that almost thalf of the population doesn’t vote at all.

Trollception,

How can the polls show trump ahead and only a quarter support Trump? Are you saying most democrats don’t vote and only Republicans do?

femtech,

Yes, also polls call landlines. What demographic of people have landlines and will sit in the phone answering questions.

Trollception,

Okay fine. I’ll accept that. How do you know that he has 25% of the vote? Is there some other method other than polls to determine support? Genuinely curious what your logic behind the numbers are and where 25% comes from. I just feel like both sides are so entrenched in their opinions on their party that they can’t possibly think there are people who would support the other.

femtech, (edited )

I’ll look but the article took how many registered voters and how many votes for trump and votes for Biden. Depending on what you are thinking, trump gets 25% if only 25% of registered voters vote for him.

This has numbers at the end. www.usatoday.com/story/news/…/4010087001/

Trollception,

But the article states in the last election trump had 48% of the popular vote with Biden at 52%. The polls last time were pretty even at around 50%. If the polls back then were accurate why would they no longer be accurate? Did a disproportionate amount of democrats get rid of land lines vs republican in the last 4 years?

femtech,

Different measurements. 52% of who voted, not 52% of registered voters.

Trollception,

72% of registered voters voted 155000 out of 238000. Of those registered voters who voted was who the article referred to.

humbletightband,

You need to reelect Trump in order to stop electing people like him in the future

jeffw,

No, I just need to post a shit ton of article about him on Lemmy lol

humbletightband,

You need to keep posting it before every election, effectively elevating the other candidate.

weeeeum,

Nah, I think Republicans are so deranged that they would be convinced any shortcomings are some deep state, woke, FBI, Democrat sabotage.

humbletightband,

my enemies are my enemies because they are dumb

Stop that narrative. It will lead you nowhere

Natanael,

When it comes to Trump it’s literally only naive, stupid or evil that are possible explanations. All are bad.

weeeeum,

I mean, I speak from experience. I personally know a lot of Republicans (all boomers) and they would genuinely believe that. At every opportunity they are talking about the deep state, some woke shit and how corrupt the FBI is, and how there’s this massive conspiracy to assassinate trump. They all have a nearly religious view of him saying that if he dies, he’d be a “martyr” for Republicans, so that the “silent majority” will finally take a stand.

tiefling,

…because there won’t be elections after him

humbletightband, (edited )

Why would you need one if you already have the genius as a present?

Edit: obviously /s, should’ve set it earlier

MagicPterodactyl,

It’s not obvious when you are encouraging people to vote for trump like a huge moron.

humbletightband,

Yep, my bad

DarkThoughts,

Biden did a lot of good shit. People saying he's the same or even worse than Trump have completely lost the plot or are just RuZZian bots / useful idiots parroting RuZZian propaganda.

retrospectology,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

He certainly has passed a lot of pork and convinced low information voters that it’s something to celebrate, yeah.

DarkThoughts,

Americans and their stupid word salads...

retrospectology,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

I can translate you you need: the legislation that he passed has nice names but in reality each bill is filled with spending for corporations and special interests (colloquially known as ‘pork barrel spending’).

For example his climate change bill has subsidies and payouts for the coal industry, his CHIPs Act had no oversight or specification about how the money should be spent etc. Biden has approved more oil and drilling contracts than even Trump.

Many Democratic voters get their information from big corporate media outlets, who have a vested interest in protecting corporate interests themselves. These voters end up recieving very little factual information to base their decisions on, and instead end up thinking Biden has “Done a lot of good” because they were given a vague feeling that he has by the corporate media.

DarkThoughts,

That has very little to do with my statement. I'm very much aware of Biden's shortcomings, I'm just not as delusional to think that Trump would be the better, let alone a good option here. And if we look at it historically he's still, for what it's worth, one of the better US presidents too.

The climate topic is just a mess anyway, because ultimately neither politicians, CEO's, nor voters actually want actual climate action being taken, because of how it would affect them. It's simply too late at this point to have sufficient climate action without major repercussions, so people rather live out their remaining comfy life and blend out what it means for younger people (who are, small minority aside, just as deluded on that topic) and future generations.

enbyecho,

You are clearly not well informed. Are you not American?

Presidents don’t make legislation. They don’t introduce bills and except in unusual circumstances are expected to sign them. They can’t modify them.

Secondly, your claims that there is a bill that subsidizes the coal industry is without a source. Please provide a reference to this bill as “climate change bill” is to vague for me to know which you mean.

Thirdly, your claim that the CHIPs Act has no oversight is incorrect. Here’s a helpful quote from a helpful FAQ provided by the Congressional Research Service:

Congress may wish to exercise its oversight authority with respect to implementation of the programs and policies in the act and their effectiveness in addressing U.S. economic and national security concerns. Among other potential oversight issues: the allocation of incentive funding among various types of chip manufacturing (e.g., logic chips and memory chips, mature chips and leading-edge chips); the adequacy of funding to meet the act’s objectives; and the effectiveness of guardrails established in the act to prevent the use of incentive funding from enabling further investments in countries of concern or from being used for stock buybacks or dividends.

My suggestion, for future reference, is that if you are going to make claims you source them. They will be much more forceful and factual and you won’t sound like you have vague feelings about something.

retrospectology, (edited )
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

The president does have the ability to block legislation, it’s why you often hear it referred to the president signing various items into law.

My suggestion, for future reference, is that if you are going to make claims you source them. They will be much more forceful and factual and you won’t sound like you have vague feelings about something.

enbyecho,

My suggestion, for future reference, is that if you are going to make claims you source them.

What are you? 12?

Presidential vetos come at a cost and can be over-ridden by congress.

jeffw,

Low information voters

Oh, the irony

Eldritch,

Yes it’s kind of mind-boggling. People pushed for decades and decades and decades for marriage equality. The Obama administration had no intention of tackling it at all. Until Joe Biden spoke. He’s literally one of the reasons we already have marriage equality. For however long we might keep it. Not to mention the nlrb union busting decision. Or the recent FTC abolishment of non-compete contracts for most people. There is no question that Biden is an outdated crusty old dumbass. Who may be far less Progressive or left-leaning than most of us would like. But he’s also ironically one of the most positively consequential presidents of the last 50 to 70 years since FDR.

The reason most people have no idea about all this. Is because they were all victories against the ownership / capital class. The ones who own all the major media. They may make a low-key passing mention of these victories. Then never bring it up again ever. But they will harp for days months and years about how some policy hurts businesses or “wealthy” americans. Manufacturing consent for their owners. It’s all by design. No one should get their information from publicly traded companies.

Exusia,
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

I think this is something I’ve come to realize about every candidate, even trump, when we get to the polls.Through 4 years - unless something specific stands out(like how Bush got to ride 9-11 sympathy 3 years later for reelection) most of their accomplishments and failures (especially the ones in the first 2 years) are hard to remember and require a primer before November.

“What did turnip do that was so bad in his first 2 years? Shit can’t remember, but he fucked up covid real bad and that’s enough to vote biden”

So yes its nice that he is refreshing us all on what actually had been accomplished to ensure we are all informed voting. Even if he is trying to be an ass about it.

kescusay,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

My son is trans. Please vote for Joe Biden so he can have the protections he needs and I don’t have to stay up at night worrying about him.

0110010001100010,
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

I am very good friends with a trans women who I worked with for a number of years. She is seriously considering leaving the US because of this bullshit. So yes, please vote for Biden.

Also, I hope you son is doing well! It’s a hell of a process.

Lemminary,

My best friend is trans and he’s considering doing the same. It’s so bullshit that he has to leave an entire life behind because the conservatwats are so hateful.

smeenz,

It’s slightly comforting to think that after they’ve forced every group out of the country with their hatred and vitriol, they’ll eventually start eating themselves.

Sidyctism,

But not before they had their feast on everyone who cant/wont leave

MossyFeathers,

I want to leave the US but I honestly don’t know how. I have no idea if I have any skills that’d let me get hired by a non-us company, which is kinda what’s necessary to immigrate to another country, right?

ChefTyler1980,

Level of strictness and skill depends on the country. Start researching so you know what’s needed.

humbletightband,

You can leave the US, open entrepreneurship in the other country, and have a remote contract between this legal entity and a US company.

daltotron,

there’s also the idea that you go to a college, possibly a community college, and then transfer to an out of country college for the degree, which I have heard is a great way to be able to live in a country, acclimate, and work from there

Burn_The_Right,

Most people are unable to flee the U.S. Most countries will not simply accept someone without meeting specific criteria.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t be shocked, though, if at least one or two countries would accept trans asylum seekers.

daltotron,

I just hope it’d be more like trans krakoa and less like trans genosha

Aurenkin,

But they are both the same

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FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

People don’t realize (and some people just outright refuse to admit) that we are in the middle of a genocide of trans people. Trump will make that so much worse.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide#United…

I wish your son, my daughter’s best friend who is trans, and all the other trans people in this country the best life. That won’t happen if Trump gets in.

tiefling,

I’ve been a trans woman for 10 years and an immigrant for much longer. This is one of the worst existential threats I’ve faced. I have had to sit down and discuss serious contingency plans with my partner if he wins because there is no chance I’m sticking around.

I just want to exist dammit. I’m tired of being persecuted for simply existing.

jeffw,

Friendly reminder that everyone who believes in accelerationist BS is privileged af.

Looking at you, Hexbear… and Lemmy.ml people who deleted my comments yesterday calling out Hexbear as tankies

Sadly, the behavior isn’t limited to certain instances though

ramble81,

“accelerationist”? Pardon my ignorance, but what’s that?

catloaf,

Someone who thinks we should have the worst right now and get it over with.

prayer,

The idea that we cannot have real change without some for of revolution, so we should make things go to their extreme, and cause some kind of cultural revolution.

Gigasser,

No, it’s people who think accelerating the country into a hyper capitalist fascist hellhole will lead to the accelerated collapse of the capitalist system. Then revolution will bring the promised land to them. Of course they don’t realize that collapse isn’t necessarily guaranteed.

ramble81,

I see. I understand that as a path, but that seems like the “option of last resort” to me, and these guys want to make it the proposed one?

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Fake communists. Hexbears. It’s just Anarchy, but the “fuck everything” type of anarchy.

I understand the frustration and desire to burn everything down, but I just think that’s lazy and won’t end up working at all.

Eldritch,

Those are just nihilist. Actual anarchist generally aren’t the fuck shit up kind. Those are generally angsty young teens with very little understanding.

You are however 100% right about lemmy.ml. hexbear and Lemmygrad. They are all Marxist leninist. Which was an ill-conceived transitory authoritarian style anti communist government that was supposed to facilitate the build up to and transition to communism. But not communist itself. Which has failed everywhere it’s ever been tried. Much like capitalism if you go by it’s stated goals and ideals.

They love to blather on and on and on about communism and how great and wonderful it would be. And it would be. But everything they do is actually in opposition to it so they are very much fake/ performatory communists.

MossyFeathers,

I hate that “Marxism-Leninism” refers to the brand of communism and socialism that Stalin practiced. It should be called “Stalinism”. From the little I know about Marx and Lenin is that Marx had some good ideas and while Lenin had some bad policies, he also had a genuine interest in trying to do what was best for Russia. Meanwhile Stalin let millions starve.

Also Marxist-Leninism is doomed to fail imo. I believe that in order for socialism to truly succeed, you must ensure that the world’s leading countries practice socialism; or at least ensure that your country is capable of fulfilling every step in the supply chain for any given good for now and the future, either by itself or via allies. Attempting to do it on your own like Marxist-Leninism suggests, is a road to failure because capitalism will attempt to starve you (and likely succeed at doing so).

Capitalism is inherently opposed to socialism because the true end game of capitalism is for an individual, or group of individuals, to own everything. However, they can’t own everything if a country’s culture is opposed to that form of selfishness. Additionally, the capitalist’s peasants might get funny ideas if they see a country based on mutual goodwill succeeding. Stalin played right into the hands of capitalists. He deserves to have the inherently flawed and doomed-to-fail ideology named after him.

Fuck, I barely got any sleep last night and I can’t tell if I’m being coherent or not. Additionally, now I have a conspiracy theory that this was all intentional. Tying a form of socialism that was oppressive and doomed to fail to Marx and Lenin was an intentional move by capitalists to conflate Stalin’s garbage with a legitimate desire and attempt to create a better world. By doing so, you create the belief that even Lenin and Marx supported oppression and that oppression is therefore inherently a part of socialism and communism. As such, by calling themselves Marxist-Leninists, they are falling into a trap created by capitalists to defame such ideologies like communism and socialism.

Also I wanted to make a comment about how capitalism is like economic heroin or something: extremely enticing and addictive; but I’ve got no clue where to put it.

Eldritch,

It’s fair to call it stalinism / maoism etc. And I also dislike associating Marx that closely with them. The Marx parts of Marxism are pretty tough to have issue with. Engles, Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc are where a lot of the backward reductive and damaging stuff comes from. But it’s about hitting them where they live. And these days they identify as ML.

And yeah I agree. Despite making wildly flawed ideology I absolutely believe Engels and Lenin had good intentions. And despite all of them, including Stalin. Russia absolutely had successes. I can’t say it was enough to out weigh the failures. Similar things can be said about China too. Though xi jinping will mark the end of all that.

The last bit, I don’t think I can go in for. If it was capitalists calling them ML and them calling themselves something else then perhaps. But it’s what they largely self identify as. The thing to remember however, is that it’s the ideas that are important. Not necessarily the names. Would Marx want to be associated with future systems based on his concepts? Sure. Would he not want it implemented without his name. That I doubt.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

To be politely pedantic, while I agree generally, in the defense of nihilists, not all of them want to actively burn it down. They just don’t care and nothing matters. It’s the unique combination of anger and anti-establishment that makes the type of person we are talking about. And if they care enough to burn it down, I’d argue they can’t be a nihilist by definition.

Eldritch,

That’s absolutely a fair assessment. My biggest issue was the way anarchism is most commonly misrepresented and used. Of which I absolutely used to be one of those people. So it’s not a dig at anyone in particular. Just trying to help us be a little more accurate in things. But you’re absolutely correct to point out that that isn’t all nihilists either.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

There is a lot of misunderstanding about anarchism in general for sure. Much like the term “Liberal,” as every so-called-communist likes to point out to me. Political ideologies are ridiculous in general, as no one actually agrees 100% with any single idea. Why we can’t all agree to stop hating each other, I dunno haha.

MagicPterodactyl,

Hey not everyone from ml is a dipshit. Some of us just stumbled into ml because it was a stable and popular instance when we joined.

Hexbear on the other hand? I don’t think you would just accidentally join that place, at least not without getting banned the first time you say something against their pro fascist hive mind.

jeffw,

I just had another comment on ml deleted today for saying some people on ml are bootlickers. Becoming less and less of a fan lately

candyman337,

This dude needs to stop getting coverage, the fact that he’s allowed to run for president is an affront to democracy.

TengoHipo,

He says a lot of things. A lot of it is verbal diarrhea to keep his crazy followers to keep following.

Justas,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

retrospectology,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

First they helped fund a literal genocide, and I did not speak out—

Because it wasn’t my realtives being killed by US bombs and I was afraid that standing up and doing the right thing would have costs for me personally.

CitizenKong,

This is a quote by Martin Niemöller, a German theologian who spent eight years in concentration camps towards the end of WW2 and who afterwards publicly spoke out a about the dangers of complacency in the face of fascism.

muntedcrocodile,

What protections does said bill introduce that u don’t have as a regular citizen?

Empricorn,

Day one!!!” I’m not even LGBTQ, but that’s the Republican Nominee saying his main priority is to hurt minorities. For no gain, just spite. If you know someone with “Conservative” tendencies, you owe it to everyone in this country to talk to them about this…

barsquid,

They have conservative tendencies because they want other people to be harmed by face-eating leopards.

return2ozma,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

They are chicken shit cowards who are too comfortable going with the flow. Also, brain dead.

suction,

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  • hglman,

    That’s one from of communication, yes.

    Grant_M,
    @Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

    Trump and his bunch are full blown Nazis.

    CCF_100,

    This man shouldn’t even still be considered a candidate…

    Sam_Bass,

    He just has to say something all the time. Cant talk about anything real so he verbally fantasizes

    p5yk0t1km1r4ge,
    @p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

    I think it’s time for a crusade

    p5yk0t1km1r4ge,
    @p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar
    AVincentInSpace,

    Tell me again how he’s just as bad as Biden

    Crikeste, (edited )

    About 15,000 children could, but theyre dead because of American weapons.

    deaf_fish, (edited )

    How do we know Trump wouldn’t have handled that just like Biden or worse?

    cordlesslamp,

    Oh it’s definitely worse. If it was Trump, Ukraine would be lost by now, and the Gaza war would be over (because there would be no survival left, population: 0).

    Olgratin_Magmatoe,

    no survival left, population: 0

    The population of Gaza wouldn’t be 0, it would be quite populated with zionists trying to build tourist destinations upon the burning rubble and bodies in mass graves. Because aside from genocide, that’s the real goal here.

    gmtom,

    Shut the actual fuck up.

    meowgenau,

    *they’re

    assassin_aragorn,

    And because of that we should throw our trans brothers and sisters under the bus?

    Kedly,

    So those 15,000 children PLUS all the LGBTQ people in America is just as bad as just the 15,000 children?

    FakeGreekGirl,

    And you think that would be different under Trump?

    Trump and Bibi are besties. There wouldn’t even be the token resistance Biden puts up; he’d hand Israel enough weapons to turn Gaza into a glass parking lot, and probably would have done the same to Columbia by now.

    The thing about it is, Biden can be pressured to, eventually, take steps towards the right thing. Trump cannot; he already sees everyone but himself and his bootlickers as subhuman anyway.

    Beetlejuice001,

    He even openly mocks his own supporters

    RIPandTERROR,
    @RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works avatar

    🤡

    barsquid,

    What do you think “finish the job” means, coming from the person who did a Muslim ban? Must be armistice and cookies for all, let’s give it a try.

    suction,

    Lmao

    ImADifferentBird, (edited )
    @ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar
    Delusional,

    “I will attack these Americans on day one.”

    Oh gee thanks asshole. How does anyone think that is okay at all.

    Bytemeister,

    god told them it was okay.

    EvilEyedPanda,

    I remember that Bible verse:

    Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these… unless their LGBTQIA+”

    ILikeBoobies,

    I’ll file that away in the “lesser issues” folder

    He said he would be a dictator and imprison or kill people that stood against him

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