S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops

San Francisco’s police union says a city bakery chain has a “bigoted” policy of not serving uniformed cops.

The San Francisco Police Officers Assn. wrote in a social media post last week that Reem’s California “will not serve anyone armed and in uniform” and that includes “members of the U.S. Military.” The union is demanding that the chain “own” its policy.

Reem’s says, however, its policy isn’t against serving armed police officers. It’s against allowing guns inside its businesses.

TheGoldenGod,
@TheGoldenGod@lemmy.world avatar

https://i.imgur.com/GDqxOrp.jpg

Alexstarfire,

I’d be surprised if Peter hasn’t used his fingers to count.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I do arithmetic on my fingers. :(

ExtraMedicated,

Can’t do math without digits.

rmuk,

I can count to 10 normally. 20 if I take my shoes off. 22 if I pull my pants down.

Spendrill,

Shouldn’t that be 23/24 if you pull your pants down?

SCB,

24??? Dude how many dicks do you have

Spendrill,

Why wouldn’t you count the balls while you were at it? I mean, they’re right there and you’re counting.

SCB,

That’s still only 23.

Spendrill, (edited )

If you’ve got the other common arrangement you can count minora and majora.

Spendrill,

Might as well count the clit as well, I mean, it’s right there.

SCB,

More holes AND more countable parts. Women win at everything

LeFantome,

Actually, it is three balls

SatansMaggotyCumFart,

Like that chick on that movie about the three titties.

SCB,

50% more balls is 100% more awesome

rynzcycle,

if you’re going to have policies that discriminate against one group of people, then own it, post it publicly,

...McCray said somehow without even a hint of irony.

ZzyzxRoad,

If cops want the bakery to “own” their policy, they they should own their policy of racial profiling

elscallr,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

It’s wholly within their rights to refuse service to anyone for any reason. I hope they stick to their… well, I guess “stick to their guns” doesn’t really work here but whatever.

dogslayeggs,

If they are a public facing business, they are not within their rights to refuse service to anyone for any reason. There are protected classes, like age/race/sexuality. So if you own a business like a coffee shop, you can’t say “no black people.” However, police and guns are not protected classes, so I think they should be in the clear legally.

felixthecat,

Unfortunately that isn't true. Businesses have a right to refuse service for a wide variety of reasons. Like you said though those protected classes are illegal to discriminate against.

That is why you can have rules, like "no shirt no shoes no service". So in this case it is if you bring a gun you will be asked to leave.

Although now if that store was ever a victim of a robbery I would bet the response time is very slow....

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Although now if that store was ever a victim of a robbery I would bet the response time is very slow…

So you’re saying people who become cops aren’t interested in the public good and are more interested in power?

raptir,

Well I never!

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Although now if that store was ever a victim of a robbery I would bet the response time is very slow…

So as usual?

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

Fun fact, if they can prove the police deliberately delayed their response that’s a massive lawsuit.

Wrincewind,

If.

ArcaneSlime,

Biggest if.

elscallr,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

You still gotta convince the city and then who are you really hurting? If the cops had to pay lawsuits out of the FOP pension fund maybe that would matter. If you sue the city you’re only hurting your neighbors and yourself.

orclev,

Payments for those things shouldn’t come out of public funds, cops should individually be required to carry malpractice insurance. Cop gets found guilty of violating someones rights? Settlement gets paid by their insurance. I bet you’d see all those “bad apples” suddenly being utterly unemployable once they literally can’t find anyone willing to insure their scumbag asses.

elscallr,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

Forcing cops to carry the equivalent of malpractice insurance would be a great step.

elscallr,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not like police departments give a shit about robbery anyway. They take a report and tell you to call insurance. Better off with a guy with a gun.

Wogi,

Nooo I’m sure the police are very honorable men and women who would never retaliate against anyone for any reason.

They would certainly never accept bribes for any reason, or destroy evidence, or beblatantly racist.

No no no these are honorable men

ZzyzxRoad,

What happened to the supreme court cases that said it’s ok to discriminate against protected classes as long as it just so happens to be “against your religion”

visak,

“against your Christian religion”. Fixed that for you.

dogslayeggs,

The Supreme Court decision was a very narrow decision based on how the commission treated the business owner, not a broad decision on free exercise vs protected class.

en.wikipedia.org/…/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora…

visak,

Of course. They’re patient. They chipped away at abortion for decades before finally getting it overturned in Dobbs.

Similarly they went from Masterpiece Cake Shop to the Creative LLC case which widened the exception further because it’s a “creative endeavor”. Don’t for a minute think they’re not queing up a case to deny medical services based on a “sincerely held religious beliefs”.

Drivebyhaiku,

Also the distinction is “no uniforms, no guns” off duty police are still served. It’s actually a little closer to “no shoes, no shirt, no service”.

As listed in the article some of the employees and regular customers come from war-torn places or have histories of traumatic interactions with police. Hence the ban comes from a place of limiting PTSD reactions.

RizzRustbolt,

“Stick to their buns” I guess?

Moyer1666,

The police complaining about something being bigoted? Are they that blind? Or do they really only care when it effects them…

PoliticalAgitator,

They’re not blind, they just know more forms of abuse than punching their wives.

MonkRome,

The latter, it’s the latter.

phaeton83,

The right wing very much likes twisting and using the language the left uses against them.

gex,

This is the worst kind of discrimination: the kind against me

Drivebyhaiku,

Aa the ban only applies to uniformed and armed cops and not plain clothed off duty ones they seem to be more outraged by the lack of convenience.

They seem to have wheeled out their Victorian fainting couch over the barest hint of being told to respect a PTSD trigger safe space for people who have been terrorized by uniformed and armed people. Oh the bigotry! (snerk)

TheLurker,

Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the same people having a whinge over this make the point about how businesses have the right to choose who they serve? I believe this was a few years ago when a different bakery refused to serve gay people.

So it wasn’t about the rights of business to be run without government interference afterall.

Well there is a shocker.

Jaywarbs,

Being gay and being a cop are not at all the same. One is a sexual orientation and one is a job. Cops chose their job.

TheLurker, (edited )

I think you may have misunderstood my post.

A few years ago conservatives got their back up because a bakery refused to serve gay people and reasonable people found that to be wrong.

Conservatives argued that a business has the right to choose who they serve without government interference. And this was held up in court.

Therefore those same people complaining about another bakery not serving the police is the same thing. But now the shoe is on the other foot and they are crying foul.

My post was meant to point out yet another example of hypocrisy from conservatives.

ngdev,

The point they made enhances yours. Yes it is hypocritical, but is arguably worse on the conservatives’ part since sexual orientation is something you’re born with.

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t believe you’re born with it.

Jaywarbs,

Thanks for explaining - yes I misunderstood and thought you were saying that those who were mad a bakery refused to serve gay people shouldn’t try to ban anyone else from their own stores. Sorry about that and thanks for explaining!

TheLurker,

All good. Glad I had the opportunity to explain my position.

Thankyou.

deadbeef79000,

Fowl: bird. Foul: bad.

Though I’ll assume auto correct.

Peace!

TheLurker,

Thank you for picking that up. I have updated the post.

QHC,

That just makes the hypocrisy even worse!

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Joke incoming: gay community already accepted cops as their kind.

Or is it? Or did they?

cheesemonk,

Wonder if we can use this to infer something about the thin blue line, back the blue folks…

TheLurker,

I’m sure there is a message in there somewhere. I wouldn’t know because I’m just a dumb Libtard. But I’m sure those conservative geniuses out there could figure it out.

30mag,

I don’t think the police unions supported that bakery.

GascOwn,

Even if it’s about the cops, good. Fuck those bootlickers.

DontTreadOnBigfoot, (edited )
@DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world avatar

Guess who just got themselves put on the “do not respond to emergency calls” list?

Side note:

Reem’s says, however, its policy isn’t against serving armed police officers. It’s against allowing guns inside its businesses.

It’s San Francisco. Aren’t police the only ones allowed to open carry there? So it’s just a de facto ban on cops.

Edit: gotta say, I’m confused about the downvotes. I’m pointing out that the police are likely to retaliate. Did I say something that gives the impression I’m condoning that?

CaptainAniki,

Oh no!!! Who will come and take a report and do nothing after they get robbed!!!

SlikPikker,

They won’t do nothing, that’s slander.

They’ll shoot your dog while they’re already in the neighbourhood, and that is objectively something.

deadbeef79000,

That’s probably for the best.

If they call the cops and they show up, they’re far more likely to get shot themselves.

Laticauda,

If they would leave people to die in an emergency over donuts then they’re disgusting human beings who don’t deserve anyone’s time of day anyway.

reverendsteveii,

They won’t leave people to die! That would be terrible! They’ll just shoot the criminals, the victims, a few bystanders and any dogs they happen to see on the way.

Imotali,
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And then laugh and joke about how fun it was to get to shoot their “toys”

lolcatnip,

Sounds like cops are allowed if they leave their guns behind, so it’s not a ban on cops at all, just cops who insist on carrying their gun more than they keep their body cameras on.

fmstrat, (edited )

They’re not allowed to do that while on duty.

EDIT: For those down voting, to be clear I don’t disagree with the sentiment, just providing facts to a comment.

vitriolix,
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Shop off duty

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I’m not allowed to eat at a bakery while working either. Tough shit.

Player2,

Do they need to eat at a bakery while ‘on duty?’

lolcatnip,

Sounds like not the cafe’s problem. The police department could change the rules if they want cops to be able to interact with ordinary people as semi-equals.

reverendsteveii,

“do not respond to emergency calls” list

Bro everyone everywhere is on that list. Cops don’t do anything unless they’re forced to or they get to RP Bad Boys

MonkRome,

Guess who just got themselves put on the “do not respond to emergency calls” list?

Oh no! Anyway…

It’s not like they prevent crime, they show up afterwards, take a report and then you never hear from them again. If you’re unlucky, they show up, get spooked, shoot you and lie on the report and still never do anything to help you. What exactly are you missing by having them never show up?

topinambour_rex,
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It could be worse. This shop could react like police officers when someone enters a police station with a weapon.

JustZ,

Well if the police union said it it’s probably a lie anyhow.

LillyPip, (edited )

“Reem’s has a deep commitment to uplifting social and racial justice in our communities,” the statement said. “This includes fostering an environment of safety for our staff and customers. In a time of increased gun violence — particularly impacting people of color, youth, and queer people — we believe that maintaining a strict policy of prohibiting guns in our restaurant keeps us safer.”

They don’t want guns on their property. It’s pretty simple. They have the right to restrict guns on their property.

Calling them ‘bigots’ and ‘discriminatory’ is disgusting, because those words mean hating people for inherent qualities that can’t be changed, like skin colour. You can leave your gun and uniform behind and poof you magically aren’t in the ‘discriminated’ group.

Black people can’t leave their skin in their car. See the difference? No? Then you might be a bigot.

e: anonymous downvoters, don’t be a pussy, reply please. That’s the whole point of this forum. Engage or gtfo.

smattering82,

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    KingJalopy,

    I am a atheist fireman/paramedic

    Ok. What does that have to do with anything?

    smattering82,

    I think the comments got fucked up I was replying to a comment below.

    PeckerBrown,

    How about if the union ‘owns’ that they are murderous bastards that consider themselves above accountability?

    oldbaldgrumpy,

    Maybe a better move would be to not serve any gun owner whatsoever. It’s their business, do what you like.

    KingJalopy,

    That’s exactly what they’re doing. Did you not read beyond the title?

    oldbaldgrumpy,

    Sure I did…then expanded on what they are doing, joking that they have the right to limit their customer base, and the $ it brings if they choose to. Doesn’t sound like good business to me, but hey, their choice.

    FontMasterFlex,

    Love all the ACAB comments here. If you’re all anti-gun and anti-cop, who do you call when someone is in harms way, including yourself? You all talk a big game until that game is on your doorstep.

    Psionicsickness,

    Why even say this out loud?

    The whole world is going to shit, and these people are useful idiots. Maintain your weapons, and when the need arises, secure food and resources from them.

    FontMasterFlex,

    agree.

    NotSpez,

    Well first of all, I don’t want to call them because they’d shoot my dog

    FontMasterFlex,

    control your dog.

    tabular,
    @tabular@lemmy.world avatar

    By “harms way” do you mean attacked, or other?

    FontMasterFlex,

    I mean any time you’d normally call the police. A lot of the ACAB people talk a big game until they are faced with a situation where normal people would call the police for help. Personally, I’m all for personal protection. Train yourself and learn how to use self defence and firearms. Don’t put yourself in sketchy situations. of course that’s not always possible, but thats why you train. for that one in a million time.

    NikkiDimes, (edited )

    It’s less anti cop, more extreme disagreement with how our policing system currently works. The lack of training, the insanely wide degree of responsibilities, the lack of accountability, etc… They effectively function as a state sanctioned gang.

    Yes, if I end up in a dangerous situation and need a person with a gun to help, I will begrudgingly call the police (and pray they don’t shoot my dog) because that’s the option we have. That doesn’t mean I don’t completely disagree with and want to change that system.

    FontMasterFlex,

    ending qualified immunity would do wonders for accountability IMO.

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