BradleyUffner,

Dude, he’s already forgotten about you, if he ever knew who you were in the first place. He most certainly doesn’t care if you rot in jail or not. In fact, he’d probably get off on it if he knew.

xantoxis,

If someone told Trump about this guy 4 years from now, he’d be bragging about how there were dudes doing long jailtime for him, because that’s how great he is. Getting Biggs out of prison would mean less bragging rights. He literally has an incentive to keep him in there.

Jargus,

As an outsider, the whole “presidential pardon” system is absolute stupid and ready for abuse.

qyron,

We have it here as well but it isn’t a free for all. The President receives a list of proposed pardons that have to be vetted one by one by a legal team. Certain offenses are not eligible and only sentences below a given number of years may be pardoned.

It’s not like the man can hand out pardons on a whim.

How does it work in the US?

xantoxis,

Nobody knows, including the president. Trump thought he could pardon himself. There aren’t any restrictions other than it must be a crime with federal jurisdiction, the only jurisdiction over which the president has direct power. He can even pardon people in advance.

afraid_of_zombies,

It is very open for abuse but historically hasn’t been abused that much. Seems like the states are moving towards making it less powerful.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

The US seems to work on “I pinky swear not to abuse this” and then is shocked when that turns out poorly.

afraid_of_zombies,

You need a balance. You can’t have a government that can’t respond/change and you can’t have a government where whomever won the last election is now dictator whose whim is law.

A lot of this stuff was ripe for abuse since the beginning but it was only rarely abused so everyone just left it. Kinda how Vietnam war wasnt declared but went on for like a decade. The potential for that abuse of power was there since the founding days but wasn’t abused until much later.

As I said the states seem like they are moving away from it being an unchecked power so maybe one day there will be a constitutional amendment.

jcit878,

sometimes when these systems are designed, the designers, simply didnt contemplate the crazy shit people will try that are within the systems legal bounds. for example no-one would have ever thought a prime minister would secretly swear himself into multiple minister portfolios even behind his own cabinets back, but thats exactly what the former PM of australia did (and now calls into question the things he signed off on in secret at the time).

CosmicTurtle,

How does it work in the US?

Generally, the pardon power is meant to be a check on the legislative and judicial branch, and thus it is designed to be this powerful.

Obama used his pardon power to free individuals who were nonviolent drug offenders who got sentenced to years often for simple possession. This doesn’t mean that he didn’t use a slew of lawyers to find these cases. He very much did. But he could, literally, go through a roster of inmates and just pick random people to pardon.

Trump, if reelected, will likely pardon himself and it will need to go through the courts to see if that’s even feasible. Given the current nature of our highest court, it likely will be found constitutional.

afraid_of_zombies,

Given the current nature of our highest court, it likely will be found constitutional.

Pretty much. From the strict text reading there is nothing about it.

and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Justice Thompson will get a new boat from a GOP aligned group so at least so it isn’t all bad. Sure it is travesty of the justice and breaks the entire concept of no one being above or below the law but when has that stopped the Robert’s court before?

Furbag,

lmao, has this guy ever heard Trump’s opinion on losers? Don’t expect a pardon any time soon, bucko.

Asymptote,

Trump doesn’t pardon whites either 😂

Barack_Embalmer,

In my book, you get points for staying OUT of the can! 🤟

Texas_Hangover,

It’s a good thing for me then, YOUR BOOK DON’T MEAN UGATZ TO ME!!

JudahBenHur,

Get over to the sopranos lemmy community. I’m the only one making posts, and yes, I want a boutonniere

Barack_Embalmer,

You shouldn’t have to come here - hat in your hand - reminding us of our duty to that community. Frankly I’m depressed and ashamed.

root_beer,

Let’s say that trump wins in 2024. Does this guy have a gofundme that can raise $2 million?

altima_neo, (edited )
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Is Trump the new Jesus or something?

“Thoughts and prayers” or whatever?

afraid_of_zombies,

Nah. Trump actually exists.

some_guy,

Got me to laugh. Thank you.

Blackmist,

He thought Trump was gonna pay their lawyers as well.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed this one.

BlackPenguins,

And their finger and thumb in the shape of an L on their forehead.

anon_8675309,

Bless his freaking heart.

BonesOfTheMoon,

Oh honey, don’t hold your breath.

S_204,

Please hold your breath. Just a few more months, you can do it.

BonesOfTheMoon,

I found a whole prison full of Proud Boy guards and warden. They’re insidious.

Surp,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Lol trump only cares about himself this dudes in for a wild ride. Don’t drop the soap my man.

Melody,

I don’t think he gets that Trump will NEVER be elected again. It’s possible for Trump to even wind up in a state or federal penitentiary; assuming that his defense fails to convince a judge.

blue_zephyr,

He’s almost certainly going to be the Republican candidate. There’s a very real treath of him becoming president again.

Melody,

You are wrong. He cannot be elected president. The 14th amendment prohibits it.

blue_zephyr,

I wish I was…

Two activist groups are trying to convince the secretaries of a handful of states to disqualify Trump because they believe his actions on January 6 fall under section 3 of the 14th amendment. As of now these efforts have not born any fruit. I’ll be celebrating with you if they ever do.

SymphonicResonance,

Trump can be elected again. Holding that office is another thing.

Melody,

This is blatantly false. The 14th Amendment prohibits it.

SymphonicResonance,

This is blatantly false. The 14th Amendment prohibits it.

Quote the part of the 14th Amendment where it prohibits someone from being elected to an office. I’ll link the Amendment here: constitution.congress.gov/…/amendment-14/

If you read what i said, i differentiated between being elected and holding office. Careful when you say something is “blatantly false”. That sounds like you were accusing me of lying, and that can create a toxic community.

afraid_of_zombies,

There is no clear mechanic to do that with. I am sure some blue states will pull him off the ballot but he was going to lose those states anyhow. When it goes to court you know and I know the Supreme Court will grab it and say it doesn’t count for whatever bullshit reason they come up with.

Melody,

The wording of the 14th amendment is clear. SCOTUS will not save him if he catches a conviction; which he is under about 100+ counts of across Congress, Federal and State courts. I place the likelihood of all of those charges failing at near zero

theangryseal,

I remember being one of the fools who thought he wouldn’t stand a chance the first time around.

This time around I’m praying and I’m not even religious.

I live in red country. I hear them every day. Teachers, lawyers, doctors, nurses, police officers, farmers, constructions workers, welders, even dirt poor disabled welfare recipients. They all say, “I can’t wait until Trump gets back in and fixes this mess.”

The media they consume all says he’s innocent. The podcasts they listen to all cheer for the day his political opponents are jailed.

Even with the recording where he pressured officials to find more votes. Even with all of the charges. Even with the republicans who come out and talk about his crimes.

To them it’s all political theater from the left. It’s all a big conspiracy to take down the greatest man who ever lived.

I’ve heard the words, “poor old Trump. It’s a shame what they’re putting him through, and he just keeps going because he loves America.”

The threat is real. Please please please, don’t think for a second he can’t win.

Melody,

Please stop spreading misinformation. Donald Trump cannot win. The 14th amendment prohibits it.

bradorsomething,

You are wrong and certain, which makes you dangerous. Unless convicted of these crimes, nothing is stopping him. Basically you are setting the bar so anyone can yell sedition in a crowded theater, and now no one there can be president.

Melody,

No, you are absolutely wrong. Trump HAS charges against him on both state and federal levels.

The 14th amendment places no emphasis on a judge finding one guilty. Therefore yes; it can be that broad. We can show he did something; Congress, DoJ and a State would not be investigating otherwise.

CeruleanRuin,

I’m guessing, because he’s clearly a moron, that he doesn’t realize that former presidents don’t have pardoning power.

deft,

desperation i think

SkyezOpen,

Depends how brain damaged you assume this guy is, but he either thinks trump will win in 24 or that trump is secretly the actual for real president. Probably the former but I wouldn’t bet on it.

FrankTheHealer,

I think he thinks Trump is still president.

CeruleanRuin,

Then why do his people keep blaming Biden for things? If Trump is president then he’s responsible for checks notes [current gas prices], for example.

Railing5132,

HEY MEDIA!

Stop. Giving. These. Fuckwits. Attention!

FlowVoid,

On the contrary, make an example of what happens to insurrectionists.

Railing5132,

Oh, I completely agree on that point. But let them fade into the dark where cockroaches belong and stop giving them free advertising for their gofundme accounts!

Hazdaz,

If there weren’t a million reasons to not vote for Trump already, keeping this POS behind bars is just one more to add to the pile.

ArugulaZ,
ArugulaZ avatar

Trump can't pardon the shiv your cellmate sticks into you because you won't stop talking about Trump all the damn time. Just put a little hydroxychloroquine on the wound and walk it off!

ArugulaZ,
ArugulaZ avatar

Well, if the worst comes to pass and that orange bastard actually does become president again, it'll be fun to watch Joey Bigtime Biggs squirm waiting for that mythical pardon. Assuming we're not all nuclear vapor by that point.

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