Mates, today without warning, the reddit royal navy attacked. I've been demoded by the admins.

A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn't even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/7dc4b932-f5d8-4e4a-bfca-34ca66821372.png

Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.

Just FYI for now. It's late here so I'll see how we proceed tomorrow.

vinceman,

This could not be any funnier. Please reddit, take legal control of the piracy subreddit, right as you take the experienced mod team out. I'm sure everything will go fantastic.

EcstaticHumility,

I had a good hearty laugh thanks to your comment.

sharpsphere,

they're gonna love that sweet, sweet liability

simin,

lol yeah

bootyberrypancakes,

Reddit will sure be a lovely site in a few months…

PB-and-Jon,

I'm sad to see what has happened to the community I've been a part of for the better part of my life.

infinitevalence,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

May their shareholders weep.

hemmes,

If you take away what the people want

You’re gonna have a bad time. ⛷️

CrimsonOnoscopy,

[removed by reddit]

mithis,

I heard Disney really likes it when their content is shared through Reddit without them getting a cut of the profits. ;)

onepinksheep,
onepinksheep avatar

So basically, according to Reddit, they own everything on Reddit. That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit's responsibility. Bold strategy, cotton. They're basically waiving their net neutrality.

CorrodedCranium,

Except for Switch ROMs that's where they draw the line

dnzm,
@dnzm@feddit.nl avatar

Nobody fucks with Nintendo, or The Mouse.

Lorez,

That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility.

Of course not, from reddit's ToS: "By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.

You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content." --https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-12-2021

hydra,

It feels so nice to know most Lemmy instances will never shove that bullshit paragraph in Legalese in our faces.

Guy_Fieris_Hair,

Does this, from a legal standpoint, absolve them of what is hosted on their servers? Especially when they just took steps to make sure it is open for bussiness?

Lorez,

Not a lawyer, so not sure how enforceable reddit's ToS is, but the TL;DR (as I read it) is "you're responsible for everything you post; reddit owns it."

bric,

Which is essentially what section 230 has given all social media companies. They are absolved from responsibility from what users post, but own it all and can moderate (or fail to) however they want. Companies have all of the control

We need digital rights

leem,

Section 230 (often called the 26 words that created the internet) reads:

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

Wikipedia also says:

Section 230(c)(2) further provides "Good Samaritan" protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the good faith removal or moderation of third-party material they deem "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected."

I'm also not a lawyer so I have no clue what the ramifications for this are, but I'm guessing that Reddit isn't liable for stuff people upload as long as the illegal stuff gets removed.

If Reddit undeletes a post, could they be treated as the publisher? At the very least it sounds not very good-samaritan-y of them to do that, so maybe they wouldn't be protected in that case.

BTW, the supreme court heard a few cases centered around section 230 a few months ago! And Biden called for it to be reformed! So depending on how that goes, the internet could get shaken up soon. We're in some interesting times.

delcake,
delcake avatar

As any good legal question goes, I imagine the answer is one of the many shades of "It depends."

Ultimately it's going to come down to how accommodating Reddit wants to be if rightsholders lawyers come around demanding an explanation for why Reddit facilitates the piracy of their works. Generally a platform doesn't have liability for infringing content posted on it as long as they are responsive to requests to take it down.

onepinksheep,
onepinksheep avatar

That's their TOS. Their actions recently — namely undeleting user posts and comments — run directly counter to their TOS. They're essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.

Lorez,

They’re essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.

Reddit reserves all the rights to everything you post ("When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, etc., etc.), but you alone are responsible for it ("Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.").

NM156,

Welcome to the CCP...

NuclearWeapon,

@Lorez "Yes your honor, user ******* gave me all this content and I'm making money out of it, but I have nothing to do with it. I swear"

Lorez,

And it works, see /u/delcake's comment.

Womble,

Terms of service are pretty much the legal equivalent of graffiti, they are there to look impressive not mean anything. You'll struggle to find any legal rulings based on business to consumer TOS because companies know they are very like to get rejected as unenforceable due to discrepancy between the parties and inability to negotiate.

If reddit are asserting control of content by forcibly publishing it (opening private subs and undeleting comments) then there is a very good chance a judge would see them as being responsible for it.

Spzi,

Whenever you see inserted words, please imagine an awkwardly moving but very colorful parrot squawking it.

The ability to find and make these connections prrrofits is incredibly important to many people ourrr sharrreholders, and ensuring that active communities are able to remain [a] stable and active (and open) source of prrrofits is very important forrr us!

Our goal here is to work with the existing mod team to find a path forward into exile and make sure your subreddit is usable for the community company which makes its home monnney here.

CarolinaBlues,

This works even better if you imagine the parrot is Zazu, as voiced by a sexy John Oliver.

rgb_leds_are_love,

r/wallstreetbets is probably preparing to short Reddit once they IPO 😂

komplekx,
komplekx avatar

God that would be literally the funniest thing of all time 😂

Sp00ky94,

The wsb army is mobilizing. That would be great to see.

jumperalex,

I would literally die of an ironeurysm ... yes that is an irony-aneurysm.

sol87,

“In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by Section 230, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:

  1. The defendant must be a “provider or user” of an “interactive computer service”.
  2. The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the “publisher or speaker” of the harmful information at issue.

3. The information must be “provided by another information content provider”, i.e., the defendant must not be the “information content provider” of the harmful information at issue.”

If Reddit the company is now picking and choosing who approves or blocks harmful information, are they an information content provider now? Are they liable if their chosen mods allow harmful content?

CorncobTV,

Lemmy it is, then.

dogmuffins,

This is happening all over reddit.

Mods are posting all over the place saying "I have to bend over for the admins because if I don't they'll find someone else who will".

You do you but honestly I find this a bit weird. As an unpaid volunteer you don't have to do anything. Just resign. Reddit's not about to die but it's best days are in the past. I wouldn't want to be a part of the future of reddit.

bankimu,

This is gold 😂

deathmetal,

They have done this for years, unfortunately. Admins are the weak spot in Reddit, not the jannies (ironically). My sympathies!

Viper_NZ,

Reopen with the new rules: All posts must relate to the golden age of piracy!

bankimu,

Lol but I think don't reopen; for r/piracy it looks way better if the Pigboy CEO forces it to reopen return legitimate posts IMHO

Southpawz,

Time to post pics of John Oliver

enn_nafnlaus,

O captain, my captain!

PirateForDaLolz,

"Your users rely on your community for information, support, entertainment, and finding connection with others who have similar interests."

We do indeed rely on your community for that! And we've been doing just fine without Reddit. :)

Mastersord,

So Reddit is forcing open a piracy sub. I wonder how potential investors would feel about that?

d_bradr,

We'll build a better ship with a sturdier ram, 32 pounder cannons and free wenches and rum! Dbzer0 for captain, 2023

Che_Donkey,
@Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml avatar

Im here for the plexable wenches & torrents of rum!

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