Racist isn’t an insult, it’s an applicable qualifier. You don’t call someone a racist just because you don’t like them. Equating it to name calling makes it look like you don’t even know what the word means.
It’s basically preferential hiring based on skin color, gender, or sexuality, i.e. affirmative action on steroids.
Meaning you’re not allowed to hire the most competent person for the job, but instead, you have to hire someone based on unchangeable characteristics. In other words, it’s the woke way to be racist and sexist, but it a “good” way (i.e. against straight white males).
No one can convince you of anything. You’re clearly set in your opinion, which is 100% incorrect. Your ability to parse new information is already shut down by your stubborn attachment to the narrative that white people are being oppressed.
What flavor of MAGA kool-aid you be sipping? Let me give you some nutrition.
Before DEI: two candidates, A and B, are equally qualified for a job. Candidate A is a straight white male. Candidate B is woman, person of color, or a member of the LGBTQ+ community. Result: Candidate A will get hired.
With DEI: two candidates, A and B, are equally qualified for a job. Candidate A is a straight white male. Candidate B is woman, person of color, or a member of the LGBTQ+ community. Result: Candidate B might get hired.
Weird, it seems like it was just last month that Boeing literally had a guy murdered for blowing the whistle on rampant DEI hiring practices leading to unacceptable quality problems that directly impacted the safety of their airplanes. Funny how quickly people forget.
Lmao how fucking retarded do you have to be to think that the quality problems at Boeing are a result of hiring practices? Holy fuck dude don’t forget to breathe.
You think Boing airplanes are falling apart because of some women and black people having worked on them? I want you to know that my 9 year old niece and I are currently laughing at you.
Incorrect. He was assassinated because he blew the whistle on management cutting corners with QA. Nothing to do with DEI hiring practices. I think you dropped this white hood…
Ah yes, that certainly is completely unrelated to management also trying to meet their DEI goals at the same time. Pure coincidence these two things happened at the same time.
A million things were happening at the same time in a company of that size and complexity. So yeah until you can prove a connection (which you haven’t even attempted to do) the rational conclusion is coincidence. You’re a rational person, right?
I obviously cannot prove a direct connection, that would require actual evidence like a work log or a video of the person doing it. Since I neither work there nor with the police I am clearly not in any position to obtain such evidence. If you’re expecting such things from a forum discussion, you’re at the wrong address. You’re looking for the court room.
But absence of proof isn’t proof of absence either, so your insistence that these things have nothing to do with each other is just as unproven as my conjecture.
You’re being bashed for claiming something entirely unbelievable to anyone who isn’t EXTREMELY racially biased. A literal man made of straw would add more meaning to the discourse than you have.
Please keep making a fool of yourself, it’s turning into a valuable PSA about racism.
Again, as I’ve already said, the evidence I gave isn’t causal, but you’re simply dismissing it based on the grounds that it offends you, not because you have a better explanation or even just something that would prove me wrong.
Translation: “I can’t prove anything so I’m gonna blame minorities for problems until someone provides real evidence (evidence which I will ignore and continue blaming minorities)”
I provided a reasonable, possible explanation with circumstantial evidence to support it. All you’ve done is call it racist, which is simply an appeal to emotion. If anything you’re appealing to ignorance by suggesting that this line of inquiry does not merit any further investigation because if proven true, it would offend a lot of people. You’re literally making the case that it’s better to be ignorant than racist.
Nobody is disputing this you fucking idiot. We’re calling you a racist because you’re blaming it on minorities. Holy fuck, you seriously cannot be this dense. It is impossible for someone to be this fucking stupid. I refuse to believe you’re not a troll at this point. Blocked.
If you’re asserting that it can’t POSSIBLY have been a DEI hire, I’d say that requires proof as well.
All you’re saying is my evidence isn’t good enough to convict someone based on it, which I already know and have admitted. This isn’t a court of law, so speculation is certainly allowed. You don’t have to believe me, but you’re not going to change my mind either unless you can come up with a better theory.
You don’t have to believe me, but you’re not going to change my mind either unless you can come up with a better theory.
You haven’t made a compelling argument for anyone to believe you or to rationally justify your own belief.
unless you can come up with a better theory.
There are literally thousands of articles being written about systemic problems at Boeing. Your “theory” consists of noticing this one person’s race and saying DEI. You’re literally the guy in the OP.
Which is easily explainable by the fact that managers are incentive-driven creatures. You incentivize quality, you get quality. You incentive profit, you get profit. You incentivize diversity, you get diversity. But try as you might, you can never optimize for all three at the same time without missing some of the targets in any given one of these categories.
You don’t have to like my theory, but it’s at least logical and consistent. Yours, on the other hand, consists of saying “shit happens, can’t explain that” and calling me racist.
There are an infinite number of theories that cannot be proven or disproven. In the absence of any causal evidence your assertion remains irrational. For example I can’t prove you’re not a pedophile. You cant provide me with evidence that disproves you being a pedophile. Yet if I were to make a random assumption that you’re a pedophile remains, that would be irrational.
But absence of proof isn’t proof of absence either, so your insistence that these things have nothing to do with each other is just as unproven as my conjecture.
I made no such insistence. I am pointing out that there is no reason to believe those things are connected. There are and infinite uinebr of potentially connected things. Believing in any of them without evidence is irrational. Since you’re unable to even begin to provide any causal link, you are being irrational.
The evidence I have provided is circumstantial, not causal, I admit that, but it’s certainly better than no evidence at all.
Meanwhile, you’re not providing ANY evidence whatsoever, all you’re doing is reminding me of something I already know and have already admitted.
To put it in simpler terms, what we have is a crime scene and someone’s footprints leading towards and away from it. Does that mean that person did it? No, because we’re missing a murder weapon with their fingerprints on it as well. But I’d say it certainly merits further investigation. Meanwhile, you’re just burying your head in the sand because you’re friends with the suspect and don’t want to see them in jail, but you can’t give them an alibi and you don’t have any proof of their innocence.
To put it in simpler terms, what we have is a crime scene and someone’s footprints leading towards and away from it. Does that mean that person did it?
Literally nothing like this exists in the scenario you’re referring to which is why you have to resort to absurd analogies. You seem incapable of making a rational justification for your assertion.
Ah, I get it, you’re a little slow on the uptake. Let me explain it in a little more detail then.
As another poster pointed out, there were metal shavings found near electrical systems which could lead to short circuiting them. Also, incorrectly installed oxygen masks which could deprive passengers of oxygen in case of an emergency. That’s the crime scene.
Now I’m not an aircraft engineer, but this sounds like lazy workmanship, i.e. not doing the job correctly and not cleaning up after yourself. Again, this could have been anybody, but if in black people’s own words, things like doing your job well and taking pride in your work are symptoms of whiteness, it seems more likely that someone of the non-white persuasion is responsible for this. Those are the footprints.
Again, I’ll say it loudly and clearly for those who are grabbing their pitchforks, that doesn’t PROVE anything beyond the shadow of a doubt, because we would have to identify the actual person who did it. And unless there is going to be some sort of criminal investigation, we’ll likely never know. All I’m saying is, if I were a betting man, you know where I’d put my money.
No, companies ALWAYS want to reduce labor costs, but normally we hate them for it. With DEI, we’re giving them a way they can make it socially acceptable.
Uh, IDK, have you spent any time at all on Lemmy? Every day it’s company X did this horrible thing, company Y did that horrible thing, capitalism bad, corporations evil. Except when it comes to DEI, then suddenly everyone jumps to defend a megacorporation who seemingly literally just had a guy murdered for trying to speak out about quality control issues that may have lead to actual life-threatening accidents because it might be racist.
a megacorporation who seemingly literally just had a guy murdered
You’ve already been slapped down on this. The Boeing mechanical failures had dick-all to do with their DEI policy and everything to do with their McDonald Douglas management style.
That Boeing acquired McDonald Douglas in 1997 and incorporated its administrative offices into their company? That’s hardly a secret. But here’s an Atlantic article on the subject if you’re curious.
So the management style of a subsidiary they acquired nearly 30 years ago is more likely to explain this than something they’ve been doing for the last 5 years or so?
I don’t hate myself. I don’t even hate you or any of the other people giving my shit. You are merely projecting and you should probably take your own advice.
Even with DEI practices, white straight males still hold a strong majority of the upper management positions; so whenever you hear about the evils of DEI while indulging in your daily Fox News, Daily Wire, or Newsmax, remember that the buck stops with some white straight males. Hence why blaming DEI for a decrease in quality makes no logical sense.
Most doctors are still straight white males. Most airline pilots are still straight white males. Most of the people who are making major company decisions are still straight white males.
“Barnett said he found discarded sharp metal shavings near electrical systems for the flight controls at Boeing’s factory in South Carolina,” darn diversity metal shavings! “Barnett told the BBC that he became aware of faulty installation of the aircraft’s oxygen systems, which could deprive some breathing masks of oxygen in the event of an emergency.” Darn diverse oxygen systems! Sauce
Okay, how about putting your sarcasm aside for a second and asking yourself where those metal shavings came from. They didn’t just manifest there all by themselves, you know. Someone must have been working nearby, drilling a hole or whatever, and simply forgot to clean up after themselves, because they didn’t think it was important.
Now, that COULD have happened to anybody, but when all of SJW Twitter, and even the National Museum of African American History have been informing us for the past five years that things like being competent at your job, having attention to detail, following rules, etc. are all symptoms of whiteness and therefore racist, it paints a certain picture of the most likely candidate, doesn’t it?
It only “looks rather likely” from the perspective of a racist. I would look to an explanation that doesn’t require conspiracy theory levels of mental gymnastics.
I saw the maga crowd bitching about woke politics being to blame when the Key Bridge collapsed, but I didn’t think they genuinely believed something so fucking braindead. Apparently I was wrong!
Why don’t you prove your ingenius “women of color saboteurs” theory? Maybe with something a little more substantial then “you don’t know where those metal shavings came from, so it’s probably woke politics.” For all the evidence you’ve presented, those metal shavings may as well have spontaneously generated.
Also if you absolutely insist on keeping up the whole racism thing, you should expect people to be rather curt with you, if not outright hostile. Wild as it is, kind society doesn’t take kindly to racists.
For all the Newsweek agitprop, it should be noted that “Whiteness” isn’t clearly defined. Its a political definition that can include East Indians and exclude Poles and the Irish, depending on who is writing the law.
In a city like NY, with a very long and tawdry record on race politics, it can get confusing for a person wandering through a history exhibit to understand how and why certain ethnic cohorts gain or lose their “White” qualifier. So a museum establishing some kind of historically informed guideline to clarify can be helpful. Particularly when so much of their audience may be themselves or have relatives in their own living history who did not qualify as they do today.
I don’t know that it’s agitprop, many other outlets reported on this as well and Newsweek’s article seems rather matter-of-factly and doesn’t really take any sides on this issue. As far as political leaning goes, Newsweek is pretty much right in the center, that’s why I chose their article on it, in order to have as little bias as possible.
As far as political leaning goes, Newsweek is pretty much right in the center
Citing “Forbes”, a magazine owned and operated by a former Republican Presidential candidate and The Wall Street Journal, a Murdoch publication, in the center of the spectrum is… definitely one way to weight the scales. Bloomberg, a publication entirely by and for Wall Street, is center-left? Hell, the State Department’s favorite news network, MSNBC, is in the same column as Jacobin and The Intercept?
Feel free to provide a better chart, I just googled “media bias” and clicked the first link that came up.
Either way, as far as I know, Newsweek isn’t exactly known for spicy takes or hardline opinions. It also just happened to be the first search result, so perhaps I’m just lazy.
I found it funny that when applying for jobs with the NYC government, Italians were not actually considered white. They were included in the affirmative action policies with other minorities. Definitely shows how the category of whiteness can evolve.
I mean, its amusing at first glance. But half my family is Italian. Quite a few of them have stories from parents/grandparents, etc about the genuinely nasty racist policies the city had towards Italians, Latinos, and Irish ex-pats - everything from redlining policies and employment blacklists to police gangs brutalizing relatives and government officials refusing to honor debts or outright stealing property unimpeded.
The social and legal justifications used are all common to the Smithsonian “Aspects of Whiteness” list above. Italians were generally described as a lazy, untrustworthy, dimwitted, and even sub-human population. They were accused of everything from vagrancy and slobbery to organized pedophilia. And that, unsurprisingly, had an impact on Italian immigrant community abilities to accrue wealth and status in the city and the surrounding areas.
That’s much less true now (although curiously not entirely absent, depending on who you talk to). But the legacy of discrimination has a real downward impact on plenty of people’s livelihoods to this day. If nothing else, there’s a ton of NYC real estate in the hands of grandchildren of kleptocrats who profited by seizing it from folks lower on the racial totem pole.
I taught engineering courses for 10 years and have worked in the field longer than that, and I can assure you there is rarely a such thing as a “most competent person for the job.” Especially once you get to the highest levels of performance.
I can also assure you that teams which are allowed to stay familiar and homogeneous (eg, a bunch of bros who live together) and are never pushed to include diversity of experience and background rarely achieve anything notable compared to teams who are pushed beyond their cultural comfort zones. Anecdotally, the effect could not be more clear, and there’s plenty of peer reviewed literature documenting this.
Tl;Dr - mechanical diversity has intrinsic value. Read a book
It’s essentially another way to treat minorities more fairly
On paper.
In practice, it’s more bureaucratic wall papering and cya, intended to obscure industry practices that continue to almost exclusively promote through nepotism and political graft.
Access to government contracts and Senate seats and Ivy League fraternities and Wall Street bank management positions continues to be a White Boys Only club.
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. Conservatives have been going hard after diversity programs. They’ve been banned in state educational institutions in Texas.
I ended up adding a whole section in my course syllabus that’s basically a middle finger to the new rules and makes is clear that intolerance is not welcome in my class.
I forgot what CRT was. It feels like its been years. Critical Race Theory, right? It was just a few months ago they were talking about it though.
Complaining about education (ex: common core) is pretty common because no one likes change. CRT could at least arguably be seen as a new subject matter / new way of teaching history that people wouldn’t like. But DEI is… like going really mask off now.
I dislike common core (at least as it relates to math) because it prioritizes tricks to solve equations rather than a fundamental understanding of operations.
You guys keep coming up with different names for “not being an asshole”, then some asshole comes and claims it’s some evil scheme because the name’s so fucking obscure that of course dumbasses are going to fall for that shit
I thought they were pissing about something else between CRT and DEI, but I can’t remember what it was. Shows you how shallow their rage machine actually is
It’s insane, they think if they don’t like the label it automatically becomes a slur. The comment I responded to was even claiming calling someone dumb is a slur. Its mind boggling how people who have no idea what they are talking about think it’s a good idea to try and correct/lecture others.
It’s never been a slur, it’s literally a scientific term. It would be like getting pissed someone called you a sapian, or a mammal. It’s just snowflakes being mad they aren’t considered the default, or “normal”
My God, you are just being deliberately obtuse at this point. No one calling someone dumb is using it in that way and you know it. I’m not going to continue a discussion with someone arguing in bad faith.
How many iterations will it take for them to just say what they’re really against: policies that promote empathy and compassion for people who are different
That’s the ironic part. Even if we went back to 1800 the vast majority of these angry people wouldn’t be slave owners because they wouldn’t be able to afford it. They’d actually be far more likely to be debt-slaves than own any people themselves. The era they actually want to go back to is an idealized version of the 1950s, when you couldn’t own people but you could call them slurs in public, they had separate drinking fountains, and they lived far away from you. Plus you could hit your wife if dinner didn’t taste perfect, physical and mental abuse was how kids were raised (when you saw them at all), and one income could raise a family.
Sad how those last six words are the only thing we could agree on and should actually get back to, but it’s cheaper for the owner class to stoke hate.
Also you could either shame/harass LGBTQ people into suicide or just casually murder them yourself. And if you had a baby with obvious disabilities, they would be whisked away to an asylum for life and you’d never have to think about them again. Ah, the good old days!
It’s been coupled together from the start, but I have been seeing it more often recently, in particular with the whole Boeing fiasco, multiple outlets blaming DEI. Wouldn’t be surprised if Boeing was behind the propaganda efforts to help deflect responsibility.
It’s also being used in the Baltimore bridge collapse. Lots of “the boat wouldn’t have hit it if they had more white people on the crew. This was caused by DEI hiring inept crews” and “it’s cuz of all the lazy black people getting hired to work on the bridge. It wouldn’t have collapsed if white people were maintaining it” rhetoric.
Both of those felt gross to even type out, but I have 100% seen both of them being parroted in response to the collapse.
Not only is it gross and racist as you’ve laid out, I think the other purpose the “woke, esg, dei, crt” conspiracy stuff serves is as a thought ender. If a poorly maintained ship loses power and hits a bridge, you might start to think about why the economic incentives and laws are set up in such a way that would allow that to happen. But if someone blames it on dei, well, deep down there’s no way you’re really going to believe that. But it gives you a pressure release for the cognitive dissonance that otherwise might cause you to have to examine your own beliefs. The angrier you get about it, the less reflection you have to do. Especially as we are wired to be tribal, so blaming the screwup on the woke libs feels a lot better than listening and thinking through things.
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