dgar,
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Good design serves everyone.

patrick_h_lauke,
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dgar,
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Artemis201,
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@dgar this is actually often used as an example of bad design. The 180 degree turns are very difficult for wheelchair folks, and the edges without handrails make it a danger of tripping/rolling off the side and falling all the way down. Plus a lack of benches forces people to do it all in one go, which can be difficult for some.

dgar,
@dgar@aus.social avatar

@Artemis201
😏
I may have been using it as an example of bad design.

Artemis201,
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@dgar ah. The sarcasm was not clear

yatil, (edited )
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amael,

@yatil Oops, Fedi DDoS took their site down...

clacke,

@dgar I loved this the first time I saw it used, but people who know better than me say it's actually a terrible idea.

The ramp is not safe to navigate and if you use it you have to potentially cross a crowd over and over, inconveniencing everyone.

A for inspiration, F for no checking at all with the people it's supposed to benefit.

MikeFromLFE,
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@clacke @dgar
I was wondering if I'd be safe coming down those steps - I often can't see or judge where steps are and the lack of consistent steps could be really hazardous.

Looks great though

Timdmackey,
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@MikeFromLFE @clacke @dgar I imagine one would get used to walking on these steps, but the handful of times I’ve done it it’s always been super awkward with the ramp cutting through repeatedly and making the steps irregular. At least it looks cool I guess! lol

dgar,
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@Timdmackey @clacke @MikeFromLFE
It looks like walkers could go up the sides with a rail and only a flat platform to cross. Waking down the middle of the stairs would be awkward.

Timdmackey,
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@dgar @clacke @MikeFromLFE yeah, that’s usually what I’ve ended up doing!

strypey,
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@clacke @dgar
> A for inspiration, F for no checking at all with the people it's supposed to benefit

A classic example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Sven,
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@clacke @dgar Yeah, I immediately thought about how it would be to navigate this as a wheelchair user. No guard rails, potential of crossing pedestrians plus potentially hitting the steps with your tires? Ugh, doesn't look too comfortable to navigate there.

It has an appealing aesthetic though. Also some symbolic power of having the same infrastructure including different needs. It just ... doesn't seem very practicable. 😄

alinanorakari,
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@clacke @dgar @Sven even as a sighted able bodied person I have to say this looks like it could be disorienting in some situations, e.g. when inebriated, inattentive or in certain lighting conditions

ddr,
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@alinanorakari @clacke @dgar @Sven I've been drunk there before. It works out ok for that use case, at least for me. 😅

dgar,
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FennaS,

@dgar
Is that somewhere in Germany? I kind of think to remember that I've been there once...

alison,
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@dgar Doable in a powerchair IF there are no other people to navigate around. In a crowd this is a mess.

UkeleleEric,
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@dgar Except that that design isn't. For moderately-capable people who need a little support, there are insufficient handrails, and the one in the middle comes to an end in mid-air. For visually-impaired people, they are very likely to fall down and hurt themselves, as there is no straightforward easy way with predictable steps. Wheelchair users: that slope looks a bit steep. For the rest of us (and especially those with toddlers or young children), there are many sharp edges (trip hazards).

Blueleafygreen,

@dgar Sunderland civic centre had a similar access design. Too many people walked down the thin edge of the steps and many a broken bone was had. Demolished now.

Katiame,
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@dgar I love this design!

zenheathen,

@dgar Intellectually, cool.

Practically? An illegal nightmare. No one would be safe with this setup. Ridiculous.

philadelphiensis,

@dgar that is superb.

RedFaster,

@dgar THIS is what Brutalism is meant for

LeslieMaggie,

@dgar
You’re so right! That’s an impressive design solution!

dgar,
@dgar@aus.social avatar

@LeslieMaggie
Reading the other comments would suggest otherwise. Looks like a fine sci-fi set though.

LeslieMaggie,

@dgar
It does look good to me, but yes, on reading the comments, not terribly functional!

rodti,
@rodti@mas.to avatar

@dgar @MetalSamurai Where do I land my helicopter?

deskJet95,
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@dgar This looks fucking sick, but also I wonder if a wheel chair bound person might be slightly concerned about their right sound being kind of a precipice.

polychromata,

@dgar Is that actually good design though? It looks kinda precarious.

dgar,
@dgar@aus.social avatar

@polychromata
No, this is poorly designed.

fubaroque,
@fubaroque@mastodon.social avatar

@dgar I’ve encountered one of these (in Germany I think) and they are bloody awkward to use. Only doable at the sides.

And on top of that they are dangerous when there is snow or ice. Or when you are drunk or unstable on your feet for other reasons.

ximaar,
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@dgar Dordrecht has that kind of ramp-stairs for at least 15 years.
https://goo.gl/maps/46uPJrEt9TS96W2N9

raccoon,
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@dgar
My brain is split between how terrible and impractical and dangerous these look, both as an unguarded ramp and an uneven stairs, and how interesting it'd look as part of some fantasy piece.

dgar,
@dgar@aus.social avatar

@raccoon
It looks like something off a Star Trek set to me.

CabThanks,
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@dgar

There are no railings, barriers or anything to slow down the wheelchairdrivers... The stairs are ramps to flip the wheelchair on the side or let them falling down the stairs... WTF 🤔

video/mp4

lpwaterhouse,
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@dgar Having had to walk up and down one of these: They look smart, but are terrible tripping hazards. Combined with anyone using the ramp having to cross the entire stair and thus everyone walking... No. Looks cool, but is nearly impossible to use safely for all of us. Revise and resubmit.

ianzpotter,

@dgar Lovely as it looks I have a feeling I've read wheelchair users have been less supportive of this design. I think it may be a bit steep and pedestrian behaviour isn't always ideal on it.

DrOtto,
@DrOtto@mastodon.online avatar

@dgar Despite some design flaws, It's definitely a

step

in the right direction

dgar,
@dgar@aus.social avatar

@DrOtto 😏

wikinaut,
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KweVictoria,
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@dgar As a wheelchair user, I think this is largely going to come down to width as far as safety and ease to navigate. But for unstable ambulatory people, yeah…definitely missing some stuff. It does look cool though.

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