abolitionniste, 4 months ago

>> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/03/11/the-versailles-declaration-10-11-03-2022/
> I have a question concerning the legal status of such 'declarations'.

What is the 'legal status' of such 'declarations'?

For me with this 'declaration' with the words "informal meeting", the question is, what the legal status of this 'declaration' actually is. Somehow it seems to me, that it is neither part of 'legislating activity'(?) of the European Union, nor is it an "international treaty". It seems to me more like a "letter of intent" of the current rulers...

jmaris, 4 months ago

@abolitionniste They have none. The European Council is, however, supposed to provide the Commission with guidelines on policy direction.

Essentially it is equivalent to a Resolution of Parliament, but for member states

elCelio, 4 months ago

@jmaris @abolitionniste if i'm not wrong, the guidelines for the Commission are the "conclusions" not the "declarations"

jmaris, 4 months ago

@elCelio @abolitionniste officially, yes. But declarations still serve as de facto guidelines.

HistoPol, 4 months ago

@jmaris
Thank you for pointing this out.
@elCelio @abolitionniste

abolitionniste, 4 months ago

Would it be possible to separate clearly, what are (1) the 'formal'(?) rules and what are (2) 'informal' or 'de facto' 'influences' or 'guidelines' or 'directions'? I am confused 🙂

Re all this 8 toots: https://trojkatretiho.cz/viewtopic.php?p=271#p271

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jmaris, 4 months ago

@abolitionniste @elCelio @HistoPol @nooartur @pmroman @Veza85UE formal are legally recognised provisions of the treaties.

Informal are practices built around those provisions, but not formalised.

pmroman, 4 months ago

@jmaris @abolitionniste @elCelio @HistoPol @nooartur @Veza85UE That's my understanding too.

abolitionniste, 4 months ago

Yes 🙂

So formal is, for example, paragraph 1 of article 15 of #TEU https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A12016M015 :

> The European Council shall provide the Union with the necessary impetus for its development and shall define the general political directions and priorities thereof. It shall not exercise legislative functions.

Shall I study the Treaties or is some concise description of the roles of the Union Bodies available?

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jmaris, 4 months ago (edited 4 months ago)

@abolitionniste @pmroman @elCelio @HistoPol @nooartur @Veza85UE honestly the issue with being concise in the EU is that involves leaving things out, the treaties are the best place to look.

What is not written: the European Council is also where important issues that could not be resolved in the Council of the European Union are resolved.

In fact, some (me) consider the EC to simply be a special configuration of the Council of the EU

abolitionniste, 4 months ago

Can't find what is "EC TL" 🙂

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jmaris, 4 months ago

@abolitionniste @pmroman @elCelio @HistoPol @nooartur @Veza85UE to* ! Sorry

abolitionniste, 4 months ago

Well, #I understand that the 27 #StatesEU representatives in #EUCO want to control #MyEU. The powerful want more power or all power. And some people may go with it. May accept it as the only way. For #me , this is a wrong arrangement. Wrong concept. Let us think how #we change it by 12.12.2121 🙂

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jmaris, 4 months ago

@abolitionniste @pmroman @elCelio @HistoPol @nooartur @Veza85UE the EU as it stands is essentially a lot like France's current system of governance, with EUCO playing the role of president, Commission playing role of government

HistoPol, 4 months ago

@EU_Commission
@EU_Commission

Good question:

#Legal status of #Declaration of #Versailles in 2022 regarding the #Russian attack on #Ukraine?

https://bagarrosphere.fr/@abolitionniste/111714879996868994

Cc @abolitionniste