foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

My computer continues to be a crashing mess :(

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

I had two temperature monitoring programs opened when it crashed. Nothing was over 46°C

sycophantic,

@foone eep ram? bad power?

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@sycophantic tested and replaced both when this problem started!

jpm,
@jpm@aus.social avatar

@foone that’s outside ambient air temperature, right?

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

I crashed it again by, as far as I can tell, making a noise that was too loud.

Great, now my computer is misophonic too

beeoproblem,
@beeoproblem@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@foone My first thought on seeing that is "maybe there's a bad solder patch/loose connection somewhere"

Does hitting the computer make it crash?

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

And again. No loud sound, no whacking it around (i tried that: it didn't crash), it just randomly crashed again. Temperatures were fine.

I hate computers

beeoproblem,
@beeoproblem@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@foone dang

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

I yanked my GPU to see if I could get it to crash without it, and it hasn't crashed yet but I've had some weird functionality. like, hashcat is refusing to run? and my game crashed twice

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

I don't know if it's crashing because there's some RAM/CPU/mobo problem, or if it just really doesn't like the idea of running on an intel GPU

jernej__s,

@foone Which CPU do you have, and do you have the latest Intel GPU driver from intel.com (though even then, it's not unexpected that many games simply don't work, or worse – they mostly work, but completely random things don't, and you can't proceed past a certain point even though the game doesn't crash or lock up)?

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

weird. prime95 stress test has bumped my system temp up to 81C but it still hasn't crashed. Maybe this is just a GPU problem?

bobbydigitales,
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@foone Are there any windows crashdumps you can inspect in windbg to find the offending driver/hardware?

bobbydigitales,
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foone,
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@bobbydigitales Nope, no crash logs. as far as windows can tell, the system just stops running. full hardware lockup

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

I finally crashed it! This is great, because it means the problem is NOT my GPU.

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

and I think it has decided to not boot anymore.

hrmm.

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

okay got some money to get a new motherboard, CPU, and CPU fan. It's finally all put together: There was some issues with the RAM, it didn't want to boot with all 64gb of my RAM installed, but I think I've fixed that. I think it was trying to overclock it a bit too much and failing the training.

start the timer until this shit starts crashing again. I'm gonna launch like 4 3D games, hashcat, prime95, and encode some videos. plus a VM or eight

foone,
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well, it didn't crash after running the games for 9 hours.

also hashcat's ETA goes down from 3 days to 18 hours if you turn off the games

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

I also put a heatsink on my 5.25" floppy drive. Just in case

Viss,
@Viss@mastodon.social avatar

@foone it adds horsepower!

RueNahcMohr,

@foone But will it ever be a supercharged 1541?

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@RueNahcMohr I've got a 1541 that has a whole ATX power supply duct-taped to it, because the internal PSU failed!

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

hashcat finished examining the 8-character NTLM keyspace: no crashing!
that's a great sign.

so I'm gonna provisionally say it was my motherboard, given how unlikely it would be for my CPU to have gone bad

foone,
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the new motherboard has fewer internal USB headers so I wasn't able to directly connect my floppy drives.
but I got an adapter, so now my floppy drives will be connected over usb-c

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

it's not a fully real USB floppy drive, it's just a greaseweazle attached to a USB-C port.

I'm still gonna make a USB-C floppy drive one of these days. Give me time.

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

I was looking up chips yesterday to see how hard it would be to build a thunderbolt to 82072 bridge

brouhaha,
@brouhaha@mastodon.social avatar

@foone The main problem with interfacing an 8272/uPD765 style floppy controller to anything newer than ISA is that normal drivers for those require that they be wired to the legacy 8237 DMA controller. Even if modern x86 boxes have an equivalent to the 8237, e.g. in the "south bridge", the appropriate DMA signals don't exist on PCIe, or even PCI.

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@brouhaha yeah. I was thinking of putting a DMA controller (or a microcontroller pretending to be one) on the thunderbolt itself, but it wouldn't give me full legacy compatibility, because of the damn DMA

green,

@foone speaking of USB floppy drives, I happen to have a yd-8u14 and wanted to know if there's a meaningful way to gather data on transfer speeds to add to what you did a couple years ago?

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@green I think what I did was just do "time dd if=/dev/sdX of=floppy.img" and play with block sizes until I found the fastest one.

rotopenguin,
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@foone ideally, it'll pretend to be a single-sided drive, but instead of flipping the disk you flip the cable.

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@rotopenguin now that's an idea

keen456,

@foone Can you tell us more about how the floppy drive is presented, and how you use it in practice? Would love to set something like that up.

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@keen456 I've got a 3.5" and 5.25" drive plugged into a Greaseweazle, which is then plugged into the USB of the motherboard:
https://github.com/keirf/greaseweazle

keen456,

@foone I had a ton of trouble finding the right kind of power cable/supply to hook up the 5.25- what are you using? Thanks!

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@keen456 I'm just using a modular PSU which has the right molex adapter the drive needs.

simonzerafa,

@foone

Do you have 2 or 4 DIMMs installed? 🤔🤷‍♂️

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@simonzerafa four.

simonzerafa,

@foone

DDR5? 😣

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@simonzerafa nah, DDR4

simonzerafa,

@foone

Should be OK then 😌

confusionunknown,
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@foone Is there anything insightful in the windows event viewer? (i think that's what it's called, I dont use windows). IIRC it logs shutdown and BSOD events, so there might be something of use in there.

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@confusionunknown nope. as far as windows can tell, it died like I yanked the power cord

confusionunknown,
@confusionunknown@bitbang.social avatar

@foone hmm, power supply maybe? unhappy power supply at a bad moment could make windows unbootable (doing one of it's random background thingsTM)
also, how much not booting, does it POST? can you boot a linux USB?

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@confusionunknown just replaced the power supply in december!

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@confusionunknown no, it's not posting. it's getting as far as the POST-code saying that it's starting setup, but it never goes further.

indigoparadox,
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@foone I feel like this might be a power issue. If it happens more often when a power-sucking component is present, and less often but still happens when that component is removed, then power is a likely suspect. And power supplies are frequent culprits (my biased opinion). And good ones can just go bad.

My Dolch is having a similar issue when the screen is attached.

foone,
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@indigoparadox Bought a brand new PSU last month, so I don't think it's the power.

indigoparadox,
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@foone Was that before the issues started?

All right, I'm convinced. It's definitely the power supply!

foone,
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@indigoparadox no, I've been having this problem off and on for like 4 months now

timotimo,
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@foone holy shit i would have expected the system to absolutely crash if you just yank the GPU but i guess windows has that "your video driver crashed so we restarted it" feature nowadays? actually, i would have expected the gpu to take damage from that but maybe i don't give pci enough credit

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@timotimo I mean I pulled out the GPU while it was powered down :)

SvenGeier,
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@foone I'm assuming you've tried the obvious (run with a different, known good memory stick)?

foone,
@foone@digipres.club avatar

@SvenGeier yes. And bought new memory.

gsuberland,
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@foone I really don't think it's thermals. Sounds like a bad motherboard or PSU. Does memtest return clean?

gsuberland,
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@foone (honestly at this point I'd just RMA the board given that you've tried two lots of RAM and CPU failures are super rare)

foone,
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@gsuberland I've had it for too long to RMA, and don't have 400$ to buy a new motherboard at the moment. That's why I've been trying everything else.

gsuberland,
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@foone oh, it's completely out of warranty? dang :(

foone,
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@gsuberland memtest did return clean, yeah. and I changed some RAM just to make sure, last time

foone,
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@gsuberland oh and I replaced PSU because I didn't trust it either

gsuberland,
@gsuberland@chaos.social avatar

@foone honestly the board is a really common culprit for this kind of random crash, and it sounds like you've already eliminated everything else. I know it's annoying to RMA but right now it's by far the most likely culprit.

Pibble,

@gsuberland @foone board/bios revision for board are my bets.

Its funny because I literally troubleshoot issues like this on almost a daily basis for myself and others. :/

foone,
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@Pibble @gsuberland I did a BIOS update earlier in this saga, it maybe helped a little bit but I'm definitely on the latest revision now

gsuberland,
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@foone @Pibble did you get around to disabling ASPM?

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