Teri_Kanefield,
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I caught a few headlines. It sounds like it wasn't just the conservative justices who were skeptical.

@StephanieJones, who I quote in the analysis I did on my blog, asked the right questions early on. (She rocks.)

Catawu,
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@Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones Essentially, States can’t supersede Federal? That makes sense. But I’m wondering how the 14th, S.3 would ever be enforced. Who would be in charge of that? What mechanism would enforce this? Please tell me you have a blog post on this!

peterbutler,
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@Catawu @Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones But what would states be superseding? There are no federal elections

jmax,

@Teri_Kanefield - Gets awful old hearing that every possible path except convincing 70 million imbeciles to quit being stupid won't work.

cdlhamma,
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@jmax @Teri_Kanefield voting is and has been the solution to this all along. if he wins this will come up again, when it’s applicable.

shoq,
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@Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones

It always felt long a very long shot. Another case where the constitution sure could use a makeover (that will never happen).

RiaResists,
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@shoq @Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones
I agree w you.
We need a new constitution.

dsmdexter,
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@shoq @Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones

It gets a makeover whenever the republicans need it to have one.

CaseyL,
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@Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones

The RW hacks argued in bad faith a lot of time, but one thing that has been bothering me (and which imo SCOTUS was correct to bring up) was retaliatory BS from red states who could use an affirming SCOTUS decision to throw Democrats (and, especially, Biden) off their state ballots.

Teri_Kanefield,
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@CaseyL @StephanieJones

The issue is that states shouldn't be allowed to keep someone from running for office under section 3. It just makes sense.

mjf_pro,
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@Teri_Kanefield @CaseyL @StephanieJones Not that I disagree with leaving him on a primary ballot given everything, but it does leave open the question of what happens if someone clearly ineligible runs and wins. Let’s say someone like Arnold Swarzenegger — clearly ineligible for Prez since he doesn’t have birthright citizenship — runs anyway, and wins the majority of EVs. (1/2)

mjf_pro,
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It’s then up to the incoming Congress to refuse to accept the states’ electors? … and then what next? The question all this begs is what legal circuit breakers exist at all to protect the nation, who has the power to trip them, and when? This makes my head hurt. (2/2)

Teri_Kanefield,
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@mjf_pro I think they just do what they did after the Civil War.

Teri_Kanefield,
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@mjf_pro I think I included that in my blog post.

Catawu,
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@Teri_Kanefield @mjf_pro and there it is. trots off to read blog post

jonnix,
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@Teri_Kanefield @CaseyL @StephanieJones It makes sense except the states always control ballot access. Why can a state keep someone off the ballot for reasons not enumerated in the Constitution (number of signatures, percentage of party vote in previous election, etc…), but not for something actually in the Constitution? Logically this should mean anyone and everyone who wants should be on our ballots. What standing does a state have to keep my 10 year old off the ballot?

joeinwynnewood,
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@jonnix @Teri_Kanefield @CaseyL @StephanieJones

This aspect continues to bother me.

As Stevenson argued, the states have always determined the manner of appointment of their electors and some states have laws that require qualification in order to appear on the ballot.

I understand the temporal element at question, but Congress could easily hold a vote tomorrow to remove the former president's disability. If they don't, that's on them, not on secretaries of state executing their state's law.

Aethelstan,
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@CaseyL @Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones for insurrection? Pretty sure that ain’t in Joe’s playbook.

CaseyL,
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@Aethelstan @Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones

Depends on how broadly you define "insurrection." The GOP defines it very narrowly to excuse Trump, but would define it very broadly to include Biden.

joeinwynnewood,
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@CaseyL @Aethelstan @Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones

What "broad" definition of insurrection could include Biden?

When Murray replied to Robert's question on this using the word "frivolous" he was spot on. Robert's stopping him made it clear how weak the argument is.

Murray and Stevenson clearly and directly addressed this; the courts will do what they have always done, adjudicate contested ballot access decisions.

Swiftie600,

@Teri_Kanefield @StephanieJones 9-0 ruling or 7-2 ruling in favor of Trump it is looking like

Teri_Kanefield,
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@Swiftie600 @StephanieJones

That should be a slap to people like Larry Tribe, who have been out there saying this is a slam dunk.

Part of what a good lawyer does is predict what a court might do. It can save your client a lot of money. If the liberal justices come out against this, it really is a bit of a slap. (It wouldn't surprise me.)

It also wouldn't surprise me if the conservatives come out against immunity

Swiftie600,
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