xs4me2, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES

Exactly this. Prosecuting a war criminal, that happens to be Jewish, for murder is not antisemitism, its just justice…

RocknRoll_Papy, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES
Bernie Sanders et Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez sont tout ce qu'il reste de l'honneur des USA, et ils en resteront pour longtemps parmi les plus grandes voix.

jesuisgavroche, 27 days ago

@RocknRoll_Papy @DrALJONES

Bernie Sanders qui disait en octobre "qu'Israël a le droit de se défendre" ?

Faut croire que 35000 morts, c'est un peu trop.

RocknRoll_Papy, 27 days ago

@jesuisgavroche @DrALJONES
Il n'y a que les imbéciles pour ne pas changer d'avis, et pour de pas comprendre qu'on puisse le faire.

Ronial, 27 days ago

@RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche @DrALJONES

Le "droit de se défendre" (de l'opresseur sur l'opprimé) tel que nos bonimenteurs occidentaux le martèlent est une abération et est même contraire au droit international (et nos politi-tocards le savaient). En ce qui concerne l'auto-défense, Israel s'était débarassé des assaillants en qq jours. Le reste aurait dû être diplomatie (comme dans le communiqué du Hamas) sans passer par la case génocide. S'en prendre à Gaza est hors propos depuis le 1e jour.

DrALJONES, 27 days ago

@Ronial

Well, imo, it's all just performative cover for what they've openly said they've wanted to do for a century & are doing.

@RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

Ronial, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES @RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

Yes, I agree. I'm just upset by the way they want to turn that. As if there was some legitimacy in it. As if they weren't just the monsters they are. As if the west had some distance. As if they had honorable politics. Worst performance ever, they just are the applauding public of their own depravity.

TheEmpororHasNoClothes, 27 days ago

@RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche @DrALJONES

AOC and Bernie Sanders have endorsed #Genocidejoe ; ANYTHING they say after that should be judged with skepticism and derision. They are now party hacks, and traitors, to any effective change.
Of course now the D party is full speed ahead with enabling a genocide, they need these two, who (they think) still have influence on the youth vote, to pretend that there's still some decency left in the Democratic party. In other words, it's gaslighting.

TheEmpororHasNoClothes, 27 days ago

@RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche @DrALJONES

Its all part of the Dem's playbook: This is all Netanyahu's fault and poor Joe Biden just
cant stop him. Really get sick of ppl falling for this crap.

DrALJONES, 27 days ago

@TheEmpororHasNoClothes

If I were the unowned-by-plutocrats dems, I think I'd be waiting to collect enough comrades to form a new party...

@RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

TheEmpororHasNoClothes, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES @RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

Bernie has had 11 yrs to speak to to power, to gain momentum, and all he's done is cave to the Dems. That is no way to gather "enough comrades".
Bernie's dead to me. It's time to move on.

DrALJONES, 27 days ago

@TheEmpororHasNoClothes

Yeah, not really talking about the old guy. I'd like to see what the women could do with a broad enough sisterhood base.

@RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

TheEmpororHasNoClothes, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES @RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

Not on the same page then. AOC is a sellout.

DrALJONES, 26 days ago

@TheEmpororHasNoClothes

I agree with much of your analysis, but it just doesn't know how to deal with ordinary human behaviour

It damns anyone who doesn't fit the demand for unfallibility.

Seriously, a revolution demands wisdom -- I'd be frightened if black-white thinkers were in charge.

They are the very ones that become the new oppressors - because they're already into oppressing their ordinary fallible comrades.

#ReadHistory #ReadPsychology ..

@RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

fedwards9965, 26 days ago

@DrALJONES @TheEmpororHasNoClothes @RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

the problem is, most movements are run by idealogues. They're the ones with the passion and the drive and charisma.

The blase leader that's willing to compromise will never get any traction.

You almost need a Moses... someone to guide you through the desert but then leave before arrival.

DrALJONES, 26 days ago

@fedwards9965

With respect, such analysis is too black-&-white as well. It's not ideologue against blase

It's we the people who need to learn how to identify the power-hungry & to never hand them power.

We the people carry the biggest responsibility for the quality of our leadership.

We the people have allowed the plutocrat fascists to get this far in the 21st century.

@TheEmpororHasNoClothes @RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

fedwards9965, 26 days ago

@DrALJONES @TheEmpororHasNoClothes @RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

problem is though, every movement always ends up with leaders.

There's a fun quote I'll summarize done many ways in scifi and anime...

"I don't want power!

That's why you should have it."

That sounds legitimate. But, people who don't want power aren't going to take it, or if forced on them it will be done with no passion.

It's why I always advocated council communism, frankly, not meaning to proselytize.

DrALJONES, 26 days ago

@fedwards9965

Re "problem is though, every movement always ends up with leaders"

That's not my point. My point is that it is we the people who have the responsibility to choose our leaders wisely.

If you want to read the research on why the democratic movements of the 2010s weren't equipped to take power, check out:

Vincent Bevins on how our popular uprisings are crushed and the far right triumphs:

https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-chris-hedges-report-with-vincent

@TheEmpororHasNoClothes @RocknRoll_Papy @jesuisgavroche

jesuisgavroche, 26 days ago

@fedwards9965 @DrALJONES @TheEmpororHasNoClothes @RocknRoll_Papy

Le 25 mars 1871, la Garde Nationale publie le communiqué suivant pour les élections du 28 :

enmodo, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES exactly. Any more than it is anti American to hold Trump responsible. It is just anti criminal.

sampw, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES 🥲 the man who should’ve been president

gooba42, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES Bibi is pretty sure he's actually king of all the Jews rather than an elected head of a modern state.

He won't be convinced otherwise. We have to pull the plug on his war machine or resign ourselves to following his lead into WWIII.

jesuisgavroche, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES

Et soudain, Bernie Sanders trouve que quand même, 35000 morts, c'est trop.
Lui qui au début déclarait "Israel a le droit de se défendre".

Hypocrite, et menteur ! Il se veut que remporter les futures élections, pour faire ensuite exactement la même politique que ces précédesseurs.

Sanders, plus jamais !!!

DrALJONES, 27 days ago

@jesuisgavroche

Aw. that's a bit harsh, JG.

jesuisgavroche, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES

Sévère, mais juste, hélas.

DrALJONES, 27 days ago

@jesuisgavroche

Even the best we've got make terrible mistakes. And sometimes, very late, I agree, they come to their senses.

jesuisgavroche, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES

Je n'ai plus aucune confiance.
Sanders s'est désisté au profit de Biden. On voit le résultat aujourd'hui.
Le parti démocrate d'abord, les idées et la conscience seulement après.

DrALJONES, 27 days ago

@jesuisgavroche

I'm not talking about "confidence". I'm talking about how fascistic oligarch-owned politics works. At least Sanders isn't one of the owned.

GhostOnTheHalfShell, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES

Welp, I guess Bernie will be branded as an antisemite and excommunicated from the Church Of Israel.

I like to call the ruling faction Identity15-3

donato27, 27 days ago

@DrALJONES mesmamente, mileikowsky "netanyahu" asesino