futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

Homo naledi is the most interesting new human like primate. They are from South Africa, little people. walked upright, but primates walking upright goes way back.

They had hands just like modern humans but longish arms and powerful shoulders ... so they could probably zip up a tree.

They have small brains half modern size. This has made people astonished that they may have had fire.

I'm glad I'll never meet one, a smart little firebug with powerful arms sounds terrifying. 1/

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

Personally I think it's really unnatural how humans react to fire. Most people are attracted to it and want to play with it. What's more typical in large mammals is fear.

Of course there are beetles that are attracted to fire (but don't play with it, sadly)

But I do think there is something very very old and strange about the way people relate to fire. It's such a blockbuster tool.

2/2

sashin,
@sashin@veganism.social avatar

@futurebird Wait, is that reaction learned? Or learned?

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@sashin

That's a great question. In my limited reading I haven't seen an experiment that answers it.

justafrog,
@justafrog@mstdn.social avatar

@futurebird @sashin Don't most human children need to be taught not to grab the fire?

18+ Frances_Larina,
@Frances_Larina@sfba.social avatar

@justafrog @futurebird @sashin

And cats, minus the learning part.

astrid,
@astrid@fedi.astrid.tech avatar

@futurebird I wonder if it's partly just wired into us. Like literally our digestive systems are so dependent on fire that we literally can't eat most food without it

anilmc,
@anilmc@hachyderm.io avatar
llewelly,
@llewelly@sauropods.win avatar

@futurebird there are 3 species of birds, the black kite (Milvus migrans), whistling kite (Haliastur sphenurus), and the brown falcon (Falco berigora), which are known to deliberately pick up burning branches, fly some distance, and spread them about to start new fires:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/wildfires-birds-animals-australia

llewelly,
@llewelly@sauropods.win avatar

@futurebird
I am convinced it is down to luck that this planet is "ruled" by fire-using primates rather than fire-using dinosaurs.

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