I hear instance admins and moderators "keep people hostage" on this here fedi. At least that's what some people commenting on my BlueSky-related blogpost keep claiming. Somehow always in a "free speech" context. :thaenkin:
Anyone feeling taken hostage by their admins/moderators? :blobcateyes:
@rysiek Not sure if I mentioned it but I'm building a tool people can use to move their content to new instances (since Mastodon only migrates follows). I felt a bit "held hostage" when my content focused account ran into problems with instance admin and I realised how tough it'd be to move. Can only presume that's what they're talking about.
In any case, a test version should be out within a week or so. Testing it myself at the moment to migrate 140 posts with images and video.
@tokyo_0@sentient_water I hope you took into account how moved posts might end up spamming followers. 👀
That's one of the biggest problems I see with moving content along with the account.
Plus, moving posts will (I assume) basically re-post them. What about posting date? What about context — which posts they were in reply to, and about their own replies?..
These are not easy problems. But glad somebody is looking into it.
@rysiek@sentient_water Self-reply threads are preserved and recreated. Threads involving others are not. But if you write a long, threaded reply to someone else's post (say, you reply once to them, then to your own post five times) it should thread your own six posts together. It just won't link it to their original post.
@rysiek@tchambers Nope. But I set up my own instance since moving accounts including their identity and timeline data isn’t possible, which, to me, would make it too costly. I’m not aware of another way to own my content here. Hence, I can follow that argument, at least partially.
@rysiek not me, i'm a social media mountain man, ascending those cold peaks all by my rugged individualist lonesome self to trap & skin memes. only time i come down to civilization is to sell my wares. i don't need no mods to tell me what to do
@rysiek Nothing stops anyone from migrating to a server more in line with their values. Exactly no one is a hostage here. XD
Now if your values are garbage, that does mean you probably don't get a megaphone to blast them in everyone's ear and that seems to make a certain type very whiny, because they don't seem to like being in a room with people of their type any more than the rest of us.
@rysiek I dont really understand what they mean :blobcatgiggle:
For example: Twitter is just one platform with a set of rules, if you dont like or follow them you are out
The Fedi has thousands and thousands of different servers with each their own rules so always something for you or even setup your own and you are still connected to the whole network :blobcatgiggle:
I have seen this argument (being allegedly taken hostage by an instance administrator): this could have been an attempt of expressing compassion towards users of an instance that has been blocklisted.
However, this view seems to miss the complexity of a situation, eg. an instance might have been wrongly blocked (lack of evidence, outdated data, misunderstanding, inadequate moderation in the past, etc.), or it hasn’t been taken off a blocklist (imperfect appeal procedures).
Before users decide to migrate away from a blocked instance, there should be another track assaulted: there should be an effective appeal procedure and fediblocks should not be of undetermined duration.
Yes, it is also the case of 101010.pl instance. Ii think this instance is now unfairly treated, but I do not now what to should be best done to have it delisted. (I’m just a user - not an admin).
@mb I am not going to dive into 101010 stuff, it's a complex subject and I had some thoughts that I had shared way back when on that.
But the point I am going to make is that even what you describe is not "your instance admin holding you hostage." That is, it's not your instance admin that is stopping you (hypothetical, generic "you" here, not you personally) from migrating.
So even that reading of that "argument" makes no sense to me.
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