DigitalFrank,

If he were to issue an EO barring abortion, a federal judge would issue an injunction before he got through signing his last name.

Also, SCOTUS has already ruled it a states issue.

assassin_aragorn,

SCOTUS also said it was settled law, so I wouldn’t trust them.

Phegan,

SCOTUS also has been breaking earlier rulings. I fully expect them to side with the federal ban.

Jimmyeatsausage,

BANNING is a state’s right…not allowing. Except with guns, reverse it for that one.

khaliso,
Mastengwe,

Yep, Biden is not a great choice- but I’d take boring and uninspired over a wannabe-dictator, flunkie mob boss that failed his way upwards-

Any day.

dangblingus,

“Exciting” is not a trait I prioritize from a politician.

echodot,

It’s so bizarre to me that the world over personality is a trait that the media seem to think I care about.

If they will actually govern the country with something approaching talent and not siphon money off into their own pockets that’s about as much as you can really ask for.

The bar for politicians is so low that being entirely average is exceptional.

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

3rd party in 2024 is the only way to escape the MIC

LesserAbe,

I’ll vote third party anytime someone has a realistic chance to win, but that’s not the U.S. presidential election. There’s a reason for the trope “throwing your vote away”.

In an ideal world we’d get rid of the electoral college and implement ranked choice voting. Until then, the primaries are where we maybe have some chance to influence who becomes president.

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If the uncommitted vote wasn’t obvious, there 100% will be a strong front-running 3rd party here in a couple of weeks or so.

Esp once those 3rd parties see the amount of dissent that exists surrounding the 2 main candidates

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

there 100% will be a strong front-running 3rd party here in a couple of weeks or so.

I’ll wager money against that considering a “strong front-running third party” takes more than two weeks to happen.

RoyalEngineering,

MIC

“Man In Charge”? What does MIC mean??

amansman,

Military Industrial Complex

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The sad reality when Americans haven’t even heard of the shackles on their ankles.

capital,

Careful, my eyes almost rolled right out of their sockets.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Did you check @RoyalEngineering’s passport? Otherwise, I’m not sure that you can assume they’re an American.

Believe it or not, the world is not America.

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not really sure they’d have a passport, being from the States and all.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Got it, you used your psychic powers to figure out what country they’re a citizen of.

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You used to live in L.A. for quite some time.

Acting like everybody on here is a complete anon is a naive hill to die on.

OP is American lmao.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“You lived in L.A. therefore I know a different internet stranger is a U.S. citizen” is a weird explanation for your psychic powers.

I never said I wasn’t a U.S. citizen.

I also know what MIC means.

RoyalEngineering,

Or maybe it’s just that nobody uses the shortened “MIC” in regular conversation–they would just say the full thing. No need to shorten, just write it out.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Ross Perot got nowhere.

Ralph Nader got nowhere.

Why would it be different this time?

spacedout,
@spacedout@lemmy.ml avatar

If your strategy is to choose the lesser evil, evil always wins.

quindraco,

Your apparent strategy of choosing the greater evil also means evil always wins and is worse.

dangblingus,

You must be 8 years old or were asleep from 2016-2020.

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

You must be 8 years old or were asleep from 2000-2008 because Bush was also the end of the world before Trump. There’s just going to be another bad guy of the week and democrats will only encourage it because it’s the only thing they run on.

FidiFadi,

Remember when evil was allowed the greater evil to win (Reagen/Thatcher) and the Left in the English-speaking world turned more left as the after effect, creating a wave of new and innovative left-leaning thought?

Oh right, Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Fine, we’ll do a revolution tomorrow, happy?

III,

As opposed to? You either choose the lesser evil, choose the greater evil or you opt-out which in turn is choosing to allow the greater evil. You aren’t choosing good by not participating.

Vote your ideals in the primaries. But when the general election comes along, you choose the best option. Simple as that.

Nudding,

The lesser of two evils is enabling a genocide. When do you guys rise up?

spacedout,
@spacedout@lemmy.ml avatar

Apparently not any time soon, judging from the amount of defensive outbursts and copium in the replies. I guess it hit a little close to home. Anyways, Cornel West 2024, truth, love and justice, y’all✌️

Catpurple,

The greater of two evils will accelerate the exact same genocide in question (Gaza) and enable genocide in other areas, e.g. Ukraine, and possibly Taiwan in the future if and when that situation escalates. This is not the argument to make, unless you’re intentionally arguing in bad faith.

Nudding,

You people are saying that you’re okay with genocide as long as it’s Biden doing it on the other side of the world, and not trump doing it to you. Rise up and fight back.

Crashumbc,

We are saying you are choosing to escalate genocide. I’m not sure why you want MORE genocide, but you keep trying to push people in that direction…

Nudding,

I’m literally saying y’all need to rise up, can you not read? Choose no more genocide.

Crashumbc,

All I see is someone claiming to “want” to end genocide, but working to escalate it through supporting Trump’s election…

It is really rather baffling.

Nudding,

Trump should have been hanged for treason but instead he’s the frontrunner for president. Baffling indeed.

LucidNightmare,

They are arguing in bad faith, friend. These types of people are just trying to sow dissent. I am glad you made your point, as it succinctly points out the flaw in their logic. Kudos! 👍

Nudding,

The third option is to start fresh. Maybe you guys can finally outlaw slavery!

LucidNightmare,

Hey, buddy. Do you have a job? Are you able to quit that job and never have to worry about anything else?

Because if not, well guess what! You are also a slave, just like I am! The true enemies of us all are the elite who throw their infinite wealth around like candy, and fuck us all from the top down, except of course, themselves. The only way to combat this egregious issue, is to band together. Right now, in our reality here in the states, is that we have to choose crusty ass Biden, instead of Wannabe Dictator, rapist, and pedophile extraordinaire Donald Trump who has also gone bankrupt around 7-8 times, and that’s not even including his moral bankruptcy!

So, your argument here is kind of lost in the void, because the above is our only legitimate way to keep whatever little bit of Democracy we sort of have.

Nudding,

You’re so close you could almost taste it. Strike breaking Biden isn’t going to reverse decades of social decay. Trump is the symptom, not the problem. At best you’re kicking the can down the road, at worst the climate apocalypse starves most of us before it matters.

Blahaj_Blast,
@Blahaj_Blast@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m not crazy about Biden, but I’ll happily vote for the shitty status quo vs literal “I’ll be a dictator”

Krauerking,

But Trump really really wants it!

And isn’t it about time that a rich white guy got what he wants?

Blahaj_Blast,
@Blahaj_Blast@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Getting some strong Bobby Newport vibes

Zahille7,

Somehow I forgot about that

capital,

That’s what the firehouse of bullshit does.

Guy_Fieris_Hair,

Dumb ass dems have themselves a pretty sweet situation, they get to perpetually be shitbags, put up shit candidates, line their pockets with dirty war money. All because they only have to be slightly better than the shitbag on the other side of the isle. We Americans really are getting fucked. For a LONG TIME. We have been drug into a hole that will take us decades to get out of. And the dems are jut taking advantage of the lowered ethical standards.

They will still lose this election. And they will blame the people that didn’t show up to vote for their shitbag candidate. Fuck them all, greedy fucks. Our children will suffer.

ApathyTree, (edited )

I really wish the dems would run more progressive candidates, but time has told them to run right-leaning centerists, both because that’s what gets votes from everyone who doesn’t want to be a theocracy/dictatorship (“vote blue no matter who”), and because that’s the best the conservatives have historically been willing to work with. (Plus their owners want that, let’s be real)

They haven’t realized the rules have changed and conservatives won’t work with anyone who isn’t them, and it’s going to be their downfall. We need to fight the maga crowd with progressive candidates, not democrats. But they need to run as democrats or they stand no chance. So basically we are fucked.

III,

If the voters, in large, supported progressive ideas as strongly as you do, Democrats would be passing more progressive laws. The issue is, you are outnumbered by people who don’t care as much as you. By people who have no interest in paying attention, much less participating. Those, like the person you were replying to, who are more willing to give up than to make change. The fight isn’t being upset that Democrats aren’t more progressive, many would be more progressive if it reflected what the voters want. The fight is energizing the voters about progressive ideas. And painting Democrats, who are immensely more progressive than conservatives, as the problem does nothing but destroy that energy.

ApathyTree,

That is very naive. Most places don’t have actual progressive candidates to even vote for, when they do come up they face amazing odds with smear campaigns…

To say nothing of the fact that what actual people want makes no difference. Popular support for thing going up doesn’t mean it’s more likely to be legally supported… unless rich people want it.

vox.com/…/martin-gilens-testing-theories-of-ameri…

act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/

doctordevice,

It’s depressing how many people are downvoting this. We can’t even express frustration at the lack of representation in our government without centrists trying to shove us under the rug.

Holyginz,

We suffer because of idiots like you and the right doing their best to drag us back to the dark ages. I hope one day you gain enough knowledge to realize how stupid what you just wrote is.

someguy3,

Are these two famous? Idk.

Dubman,

Left one is Billie Eilish

TexasDrunk,

I’m not positive because I’m bad at faces, but I think that’s America Ferrera on the right.

SquishyPandaDev,
@SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net avatar

Biden and the Democrats have already taken away abortion rights and are in no rush to give them back. I’m tired of them getting away with it because “it was the Republicans who pulled the trigger.” Ya, and the Dems stood by and did nothing to stop it for 51, God damn, years

misspacfic,

not a fan of biden, but saying he took away abortion rights is literally wrong and anyone reading this should question why someone would frame it that oversimplified way.

ElderberryLow,

Ah the ole “blame democrats for what republicans literally did” tactic.

Guy_Fieris_Hair,

I bet you think he honestly tried to forgive college debt as well…

Nudding,

Thank God we got that ceasefire he’s been talking about for weeks!

misspacfic,

nope. i’m immeasurably frustrated with the system as a whole and believe biden to be cut from the same cloth as other presidents: barely disguised puppets for the ownership class that are forced to make impossible compromises at the expense of the working class.

they keep wars going for profit. they play with our lives for profit.

that includes people who spread misinformation in order to suppress voter turnout because they falsely equated their vote to a personal endorsement rather than a chess move.

but if it makes you feel better continue to think of me as a biden loving fool who you can write off in your culture war against whatever.

i’ll be here doing direct action, calling for unionization, and getting people out to vote especially in local elections.

gila,

Questioning that leads me to think that while the commenter is literally wrong, they were not attempting to state a literal fact. They are trying to point toward inaction (re: abortion not being codified) and equating it to the action of criminalisimg abortion (even laying blame on the inaction over the action).

That’s obviously literally false, but it’s also pretty clear to me that isn’t the point they were making, which you appear to have chosen not to engage with. Anyone reading this should question why logical one-ups take precedence in discourse over addressing the material argument. Just an outsider perspective, what I don’t see here is any reason for animosity for placing blame on democrats for something they were inarguably involved in. When blamed by someone totally estranged from the right, that feels the D’s are supposed to be their representation, it’s pretty piss poor representation in some respects and arguing it isn’t just seems ridiculous to me

PunnyName,

Could you provide evidence of that claim?

SquishyPandaDev,
@SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net avatar

supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/410/113/

Has the Justice’s opinions. Relevant quote:

We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified, and must be considered against important state interests in regulation.

From day one of Roe vs Wade everyone knew that in order for this to stick it needed to be put in federal legislation. Every time this was brought up, Democrats say that there was no way Roe v. Wade would be overturned. And here we are, Roe v. Wade is overturned. Are the Dems furiously trying to ram through legislation to give back abortion rights? No. They are campaigning that this time will be different while Womens’ lives are endangered.

Oh and Roe v. Wade being overturned puts all 14th amendment decisions in jeopardy. Can’t wait for these same empty promises to be dug out when the conservatives start targeting interracial marriages next.

PunnyName,

Democrats didn’t overturn RvW, tho…

No, they didn’t codify it into law, but that’s not the same action. Nor would it have been super easy to “just” codify it.

SquishyPandaDev,
@SquishyPandaDev@yiffit.net avatar

Nor would it have been super easy to “just” codify it.

I get that but they didn’t even try

FidiFadi,

When was the legislature in Democratic hands, and they were not busy with more important political priorities (which, if you were living in the early Obama 1st term, people wanted a lot out of government than codifying Roe V. Wade).

What is the point of wasting everyone’s time if the Republicans control part of the Congress?

dangblingus,

All your comment is is noise in a sea of misinformation. What could Dems have done to prevent the Supreme Court, one of the branches of government that controls the laws, from rolling back abortion protections? Do you even understand how American politics works? Are you a Russian bot?

sin_free_for_00_days,

A reluctant friend sounds like someone who really isn’t sure if they want to be your friend.

Dkarma,

They’re reluctant to vote.

Stop eating lead paint.

Tuggles,

This was unnecessarily rude, but I won’t deny I had a chuckle.

sin_free_for_00_days,

Thanks, Captain!

Kit,

Tf is RFK?

lps2,

Robert F Kennedy Jr

Sludgehammer,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

Who’s predicted to be Trump’s pick for vice president… because apparently watching Trump supporters chanting about hanging his last VP wasn’t a large enough red flag.

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