philpo,

As someone in the final stages of a masters degree in healthcare management and economics:

Almost. It doesn’t entirely cover the costs (at least from the data we have available worldwide, which is somewhat insufficient) but a focus on mental health(which always includes workers rights, women’s rights and a few more social issues that create long term health problems on a massive scale) and prophylaxis in general is FAR cheaper than what most industrial nations currently do.

We do have a few issues that are not addressed in these concepts (e.g. end of life care and costs associated with that, new types of personalised medication, accessibility in rural areas,etc.) that still make a healthcare system like that something society has to pay for…But it does improve things massively, especially the quality of life of people that are not the actual patients.

Juice,

That’s how you can see the true nature of the system. It isn’t designed to maximize production, it is designed to subordinate production.

some_guy,

Imagine how much we could save on policing if we didn’t have outbreaks of mental health issues and shootings.

Just kidding, don’t think about that, back the blue. /s

Jorgumander,

I’m just here to agree. Also, people could stop self diagnosing, which is a whole other thing.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

I bet the benefit of free school lunches would also pay for itself. And there’s been studies that show that funding early childhood education has a huge ROI.

But that’s not how things work here.

Duamerthrax,

Yeah, but it wont pay back within the quarter.

GrayBackgroundMusic,

Same thing with crime and basic needs. It costs less to give people housing, food, etc, than to staff the police and infrastructure for jails. Once you realize that, you realize it’s not about the cost. It’s about the cruelty.

Alpha71,

TBH the bigger problem is, even if we did have full funding, we just don’t have the necessary amount of trained physicians. There would still be a backlog.

Daft_ish,

Did you just make a case for free college? I think you did.

bufalo1973,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

Not having preventive health care if like having a car, hear it make too many strange noises and not fixing it until it breaks and you end up on the side of the road upside down. You “didn’t spend money” in minor fixings but you end up paying a lot more.

Churbleyimyam,

Thanks for reminding me about all the stuff that needs fixing on my car.

Asclepiaz,

How does that help the shareholders gain more wealth to hoard though?

ILikeBoobies,

Pay them with publics funds but give them no liability and no pricing oversight

Like we do in Canada (Ontario) for regular healthcare

Fedizen,

how are we going to know we’re better than other people though, this is the most important thing.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That would be logical and we don’t do that here.
Stop that.

toynbee,

Whether I agree with you depends on whether “here” means “lemmy” or “this country.”

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yesn’t.

hperrin,

Yes, that’s how it works in many countries.

dmMeYourNudes,

Same applies to housing the homeless, but benefiting society isn’t the point. It is not enough to win, someone else must also lose.

Woozythebear,

Welcome to Capitalism where you have to pay for basic human rights.

chonglibloodsport,

We have health care in Canada yet still lots of street homeless people. They aren’t getting adequate care at all, yet the cost of caring for them exceeds the average person by many times. Many of them are on a first name basis with all the paramedics and other first responders due to how often they’re taken to the emergency room.

Daft_ish,

Ok, but, I never said universal healthcare would solve homelessness. In America we have the same cost except we’ve made it illegal to be homeless and pay to keep them in prison.

darctiger88,

Same in the UK :/ although I’d never want an American style healthcare system

Alpha71,

You guys are getting close to it though. With your “Two Tier” system, You’ve slowly almost choked the public side of health care to death.

darctiger88,

Unfortunately the Conservative groups in this country want us to have a fully privatised system. They’re already working to rid the country of mentally ill people, disabled people or anyone who could be a “drain”. There’s so much rhetoric at the moment about mentally ill people or those with ADHD and Autism receiving benefits I’m actually scared, they’ve made sure that the waitlist for therapy is a year long. I was forced to go private for my therapy or wait “up to 36 months”. I was suicidal and my mum couldn’t risk us waiting, so she sold half of our land to a builder to pay for it :/

ieatmeat,

Congratulations, you just figured out how healthcare works in the rest of developed countries

paraphrand,

Yup. Everything is better when everyone is doing better. It’s weirdly simple.

Daft_ish,

I’m just speaking from personal experience. If I was given adequate health care 20 years earlier there is no telling how different my life may have been. Instead I had to achieve impossible feats to get insurance which then made those seemingly impossible things trivial.

cosmicrookie,
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Its so weird living in a country where healthcare is a right, and seeing how E everyone in USA is against public healthcare until their insurance stops covering expenses.

ChilledPeppers,

And also in some of the non developed countries (Cuba, Brazil)

taanegl,

“Cuba is such a shit hole.”

Consistently has some of the best doctors. Also, healthcare workers from Kenya? Some of the best in the world.

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