thingsiplay,
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@AnonymousLlama
The Steam Deck and other handheld PCs also rocks for emulation, not only for light indie games.

Here is a part of the article which bugs me a byte:

By nearly all objective measures, the ROG Ally is better than the Steam Deck. It has solid battery life, a nicer screen, more power, and Windows 11

Having Windows 11 on the device is not an objective measure to be better. If anything, this is a subjective matter. In my opinion Windows is far worse as an operating system for a handheld PC (or any PC at all). Sure you have more games to play with, but the usability and customization sucks, plus Microsoft is spying on you.

FooBarrington,

Seriously - especially since MS will keep trying to extract more money from the OS, which will affect your handheld too. It’s much less likely for Valve to do that kind of stuff (and if they do, the community will create alternatives).

derpo,

Windows is far worse as an operating system for a handheld PC (or any PC at all)

Based and lemmy-pilled

thingsiplay,
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@derpo What do you mean?

derpo,

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  • elouboub,
    elouboub avatar

    Why do I need to login to read a reddit comment (I don't have an account btw)

    Pons_Aelius,

    I hate to link to Reddit

    Then don't do it.

    derpo,

    Okay, I deleted the comment so you don’t have to read it ever again

    donuts,
    donuts avatar

    I like Linux, I don't care for Windows, but none of that changes the fact that Linux is simply better right now for handheld gaming PCs like the Steam Deck.

    Some of that is due to the open nature of the system allowing manufacturers like Valve to have much finer control of the system (see gamescope or Valve's Linux kernel patches for just 2 quick examples). Some of it is due to the work that Valve put in to make the Steam Deck polished, like making sure the thing had proper suspended/resume. And some of that has to do with the existing Linux ecosystem of well-managed repositories, various desktops, Wine, and so on.

    In contrast, Windows has only ever been truly designed for a "desktop" experience and it is neither flexible nor low level enough to allow for the type of tweaks necessary to make a Deck-like experience. Valve could not have made the Deck what it is using Windows as a base.

    derpo,

    You’ll get no argument from me. I love my steam deck, and windows is an awful experience on it compared to SteamOS

    thingsiplay,
    thingsiplay avatar

    @derpo I was referring to the original article that this is subjective and not objective. And I am not just hating here, there are reasons to believe what I wrote. Windows was never designed for handheld PCs, while SteamOS is specifically designed for that purpose. So expressing my opinion does not make me a hater. Although, I do not like Windows, but that is not the point of my message. When you say I am just a hater, then you discount my opinion.

    Ok, it was just a meme. But memes are often used to say something in a funny or sarcastic way. So let's start a war now. ;-) wink, wink

    derpo,

    I’m just here to make low effort comments. Nothing was meant by it, no need to read too deeply, and I never said you were just a hater :)

    TwilightVulpine,

    Even by the standards of Windows, Windows 11 seems to be worse than 10.

    donuts,
    donuts avatar

    The dumbest thing about that statement is that nothing stops them from installing Windows on the Deck. I would never want to, but if someone felt that Windows was truly better for the device they certainly have the option of using it.

    derin,

    The amp link is completely broken and renders incorrectly on my 4k display using Chrome (lol).

    Here’s a non-amp link.

    thingsiplay,
    thingsiplay avatar

    @derin I had the same issue. Some suspicious request was blocked by my security addons and I thought it was just a false alarm. But used the reader mode of Firefox to make it readable: https://i.imgur.com/F4yv5VR.png

    MJBrune,

    Stability is important and the Asus Rog Ally is a response to Steam Deck’s popularity to try to cash in on the concept. So of course the Rog Ally, with an OS that isn’t meant for controller navigation only, and with less time to develop stable drivers, is going to be less stable than a device that has an OS dedicated to it, with an app that’s running specifically developed for almost a decade now for controller navigation. Additionally, Steam included dual trackpads because they knew people would want that precision that we saw in the Steam Controllers.

    Asus has more experience overall with hardware development compared to Steam. Asus has been building mobile computers for decades but Steam has been building random gaming devices for almost a decade now. The PC mobile console was Valve’s original concept but I bet if Asus started on it when Steam did, we’d see Asus on top. As of now, Steam has a fighting chance to keep ahead of Asus.

    conciselyverbose, (edited )

    I hate Windows, but the not having track pads to interact with the OS is worse.

    Edit: (OK, had to install windows to see if Madden is playable. Windows is almost as bad.)

    wolfshadowheart,
    wolfshadowheart avatar

    I don't know what anyone would expect from the company that brings us corporate malware? Seriously the ROG services are ridiculously invasive and difficult to get rid of and have a reputation for a reason.

    All that invasion just for a terrible program that can hardly sync your lights.

    SpaceNoodle,

    I’m still impressed with how Valve knocked it out of the park with their first attempt at the Steam Deck. I really hope that Asus gets their shit together and starts to make the ROG Ally shine, because that will only encourage more competitors, which should push everyone to keep providing good support and develop even better products.

    Potatos_are_not_friends,

    Seriously! My favorite thing about handhelds today (like 3DS and Switch) is that I can put it to sleep and come back and jump right back into a game. Impressed Valve pulled it off. And it’s going to be hard to buy other handhelds without that feature.

    TwilightVulpine,

    As a portable it's their first, but they have been trying different things in hardware with Steam Link, Steam Controller and Valve Index. They've built up some experience.

    SpaceNoodle,

    Nothing else came close to the success of the Steam Deck, though.

    TwilightVulpine,

    Yes, what I was trying to get at is that they learned from failures too. Nobody cared about the Steam Link devices, so they made-up for it with Steam OS and Proton on the Deck.

    runjun,

    You’re forgetting their “failures”. Steam machines, steam link, and the steam controller all received praise to varying degrees but commercially they did awful. All the lessons directly led to the steam deck. That’s also why it feels so complete even though it’s their first release in this space.

    NatoBoram,

    Jesus, clean up your links, god dammit

    elouboub,
    elouboub avatar

    I'm honestly glad Valve has a headstart on ASUS. Now it's a competition. ASUS can't rest on its laurels and has to put it a lot of effort to catch up which means the Steam Deck is the gold standard right now.

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