backpackn,

Headsets already feel outdated. They seem inconvenient, uncomfortable, and take you away from life instead of enhancing it. Whatever happened to google glass? I disliked that for many reasons but at least it wasn’t a headset.

lmorchard,

Robert Scoble took a shower in one and the Google Glass image has yet to recover

scrollbars,

Oh dear, I had forgotten about this...

drwho,

Google happened to it. Right when some of us started doing practical things with it. Still haven't forgiven them for that.

fruitywelsh,

Can't have a product potentially get past the early adopters phase can they.

drwho,

I still don't think I should have told them I was working on a software prosthetic for it.

fruitywelsh,

Oh, what is that?

drwho,

I was writing code for Google Glass that implemented facial recognition. A friend of mine suffered a TBI in an automobile wreck and developed partial facial prosopagnosia as a result. I was basically writing software that would recognize faces within 15 feet of the wearer and compare it to images of their contacts in their Google account, and would throw up an AR subtitle identifying the person on a match. Not too long after I filed the developer applications and outlined my project, the Glass project flatlined.

fruitywelsh,

Did you end up taking it anywhere from there?

M500,

I really don’t. I wear glasses and I can’t imagine a system where it’s comfortable to wear both. If my glasses could be replaced by “smart” glasses, then I’d give it a go, but not if they are going to basically be a headset that looks like glasses.

BadSong,

I heard on TechLinked that they charge you more if you wear glasses for your prescription to be in the lenses or something.

Marxine,

Do you have to change the whole device if your prescription changes? Or just the (guessing price) $1500 usd lenses?

BadSong,

Just the lenses.

Marxine,

As long as these don't cost a kidney, it's reasonable.

bigbox,

I think the end goal would be AR/VR built into your glasses that are as light as current day glasses. We are probably a long time away from that, but I feel like most VR headsets right now are beta versions of this end goal.

NattyNatty2x4,

"a long time" probably means like a decade for this kind of stuff, so at least there's that to look forward to

gzrrt,

No. The future of tech should be about getting more capabilities out of fewer (and/or less intrusive) screens. Would love to see more advances in e-ink displays and open-source, 'ambient' voice-controlled UIs.

pax,

oh no. I hate voice controlled tech. it's off for me. I would not use that at all.

0x1C3B00DA,
@0x1C3B00DA@lemmy.ml avatar

Agreed. I don't want to use voice controls for anything but I agree with the OPs more general point of getting more capabilities out of fewer screens

gzrrt,

I don't see any downside at all if it's layered on top of some other (very capable) keyboard-driven UI that can do all the same things.

pax,

there doesn't need to be a keyboard. just good hand gestures which can't be performed by accident, and good face recognition software. if apple headset will have this, I'm gonna bankrupt.

drwho,

I got to try messing around with a Hololens a couple of years back. The hand tracking wasn't perfect but it was pretty cool. It read my "typing in the air" gestures to set a WPA2 key very accurately (much to my surprise). The parameters of the demo I was playing around in (picking up and moving virtual packages around in a model city to control drones flying around that part of the convention center) was pretty cool.

gzrrt,

Don't think anything can actually replace the power and expressiveness of keyboards and text interfaces- that's always going to be the bottom layer for a productive setup (i.e., you need to actually be able to write code, write shell scripts etc to control your machine, etc).

Guess what I really want is just some kind of Unix machine that hums along 24/7 in the background, with many different paradigms for interacting with it when you don't have (or want) a standard keyboard and display. Putting a display over my face feels like a giant leap in the wrong direction

pax,

yeah, keyboard is crucial when you want to code, 100% agree here.

pineapple,

I don’t see any downside at all if it’s layered on top of some other (very capable) keyboard-driven UI that can do all the same things.

The downside is that no existing tech company has enough self-control to actually keep these kinds of recordings private.

gzrrt,

That's why we need something open-source and self-hosted.

drwho,

Several such solutions already exist. Problem is, only folks like us mess around with it. Non-geeks, not so much.

KelsonV,
@KelsonV@wandering.shop avatar

@gzrrt @pineapple Yeah - ideally, any voice control processing or recordings should never leave the device it's used on. At worst, the local network.

It's so annoying that the tech for voice recognition became usable before mobile processing power caught up but after mobile bandwidth was enough to offload the processing to someone else's computer.

wizjenkins,

No for one simple reason: I have a wife. We like to experience content together (watching movies/TV, playing games). None of which I can do without not one but two of these things. No thanks.

scrollbars,

It's funny how obvious this point is and yet it seems to be getting kind of quietly ignored.

0x1C3B00DA,
@0x1C3B00DA@lemmy.ml avatar

I've heard a lot of pundits excitedly talking about using this headset to get rid of TVs in their house. I keep wondering how they think that'll go over with their families.

koopacha,

People saying glasses are thinking too small. Imagine this in CONTACTS

acowley,

The Vision product is a more like a monitor than AR glasses you wear all day. It makes nods to the practicality of strapping a monitor to your face: you can unplug, slide the battery in your pocket, stand up and walk into a different room to get something without disengaging from the monitor. If someone wants to chat, you can fade in reality and let them see your eyes so that the two of you can more comfortably (we'll see about this!) exchange a few words.

Without things like that, strapping a monitor to your face to get great eye tracking, immersive photos/video, and the giant digital canvas for your application windows might prove too inconvenient. For example, needing to pull the goggles off to answer a quick question from someone else in the room could make the whole endeavor not worth the hassle in some settings. If those settings turn out to be popular (e.g. using this at work in an office), then Apple is one step ahead.

I think that AR glasses you wear when out and about will be a different product. Admittedly, the photography aspect of Vision is a tentative move in this direction. I think it's being positioned more as a thing where you'd pull it out to capture a particular scene, then put it away again, rather than something you'd wear for an entire outing (the battery life largely precludes such a use, after all). I don't think it's a great fit for this now as it seems like it'd require the equivalent of a camera bag to bring with you, but undoubtedly some people will capture some amazing images.

BadSong,

No one talks about how bad it is to have tons of little LEDs in your eyes. My eyes are already messed up, and I can't use VR for more than an hour before I feel like I want to die. So it's a HARD pass from people like me. Talk to me once you put screens in the walls, not on them.

ElectronSoup,

Apple users will want whatever apple tell them to want

fruitywelsh,

Honestly, yeah, looking forward to when my budget lets me get the SimulaVR headset. Do I want something with a fraction of the software or apps as my laptop. No, that would be a huge step backwards. Do I want to have to buy software and jump through 15 hoops to modify anything? no.

So unfortunately Apple's ISore and Facebook's head-mounted surveillance device aren't for me, but a full Linux machine with x86 with infinite displays and full body interactions, for sure.

Wenchette,
@Wenchette@lemmy.ml avatar

Nope

dessalines,

Yall remember google glasses? Seems like a decade ago.

const_void,

Yep. I remember their users being called 'glassholes' too.

fruitywelsh,

Apple Vision users new nik?: ISores

scrollbars,

I can't imagine walking around in public with something like this Apple headset on, let alone with the insane price tag... which means that people are definitely going to do it.

v_krishna,
@v_krishna@lemmy.ml avatar

There was a hilarious few week period in 2013 where I saw multiple people slam into the handrails and doors on muni busses in SF while glassed out. Also people yelling at them about not consenting to being recorded etc but that was much less amusing. Within a couple weeks you entirely stopped seeing them in public spaces.

veroxii,
elouboub,
elouboub avatar

I love how everybody's shitting on it now, but I bet you that this started a bunch of copycats that'll offer it at 1500 or more. Everyone laughed at "phones without jacks" and now even FairPhone released a model without jacks. FairPhone basically said: yeah, let's go with a trend to add more e-waste and say we're for the planet.

manned_meatball,
@manned_meatball@lemmy.ml avatar

the fact that it'll have hundreds of copycats doesn't make it less silly

weebs, (edited )

Fwiw I still buy phones based on the headphone jack

I'm a tech hipster and direct audio is flat out, tight, my humans

Although I'm perfectly willing to admit cordless is better for most people's use cases and I do own a pair of wireless headphones for that reason

gzrrt,

Same here (even though I own bluetooth headphones). No reason phones can't support both

pvq,

I use a headband to keep my hair backwards and even using something as light as that becomes irritating after prolonged periods of time. I'd have to try it, but I'm leaning towards thinking I'd be super annoying for extensive use.

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