joyjoy,

Was it ever any surprise they got their way? They’re basically unopposed.

snownyte,
snownyte avatar

We're in a lose/lose scenario here. Google has been inserting ad-tracking and soon will be nuking ad-blockers.

Then you've got Firefox wanting to implement AI soon at the cost of employees.

Is there really anywhere else we can go before both of their shit hits the fan?

TropicalDingdong,

We need a federated browser.

SlopppyEngineer,

Like Tor?

Chakravanti,

TOR is a forked Firefox.

GustavoFring,

You mean Tor Browser specifically.

ZephyrXero,

Firefox needs to ship with IPFS & IPNS built in, then we’d have a Distributed web. Which is I think what you’re asking for maybe?

TropicalDingdong,

Sure, lets do that.

smileyhead,

HTTP?

cosmic_slate,

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    WE NEED A FEDERATED BROWSER.

    comador, (edited )

    Opera, Vivaldi and Brave are descent alternatives.

    EDIT:

    Vivaldi (based on Opera, but FOSS and not Chinese) is still good.

    I didn’t realize Brave inserted referral codes, TIL.

    Chakravanti,

    No. No they aren’t.

    WhyJiffie,

    Each of which depend on chrome and google’s decisions.

    TheGrandNagus,

    Idk why you’re being downvoted. All of these browsers are chromium browsers.

    s0ckpuppet,

    Brave is shady af and iirc Opera got bought by some Chinese spyware company.

    comador,

    I only listed Opera b/c Vivaldi is based on it:

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)

    Vivaldi is absolutely a descent FOSS product, but will agree with the Opera sentiment and have edited my post more accordingly.

    LunchEnjoyer,
    @LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world avatar

    I’d argue Firefox is the descent alternative.

    There are a plethora of sources out there of good reasons not to use these browsers. But seriously, Firefox is an excellent browser, treat yourself to better privacy 🦊

    comador,

    I only listed Opera because Vivaldi’s based on it, but that’s about where it ends. Vivaldi and FF are the only two I use tbh.

    Damage,

    Firefox is open source, bullshit can be excised if necessary

    calzone_gigante,

    Maintaining a browser is crazy hard. If Firefox goes to shit, it would require some serious foundation to maintain a good fork.

    Damage,

    I chose my wording accurately, I never mentioned maintaining the whole browser

    Imgonnatrythis,

    Yes, and expensive. This is often overlooked when people just say don’t worry it’s FOSS. The enshitification happens slowly, and by the time there is outrage about how bad it becomes the last non intrusive fork might be several years old and take even more work to modernize. I’m not giving up all hope, but you are correct, it would be a very ambitious community undertaking to keep such a thing competitive with the plethora of evil browsers out there.

    Chakravanti,

    Librewolf

    TheGrandNagus, (edited )

    I don’t think we should equate Firefox’s AI plans with other ones.

    Firefox’s AI will be trained entirely locally with data that you choose to give it, and won’t send information back to Firefox.

    By the sounds of it it won’t be a chatbot either, but rather an aid for finding more sources, pointing out fake reviews, assisting in (offline, local!) translation, etc.

    My two main issues with AI are unethically sourced training data, and hoovering up personal information when you use it. Neither are a problem for Mozilla’s AI plans. This is how AI should be done.

    snownyte,
    snownyte avatar

    Well this is the thing here. We're in an era of time in technology where we DON'T want people having as much of our data. Whether it's for good or bad use, we just don't want it. How hard is that for these companies to comprehend?

    The internet was fine without this sort of thing. We were fine without AI. Why complicate it at all?

    mindbleach,

    Shatter.

    SUPERcrazy3530,
    @SUPERcrazy3530@lemmy.world avatar

    Does this only affect Chrome or all Chromium based browsers? Are Brave and Edge going to be implementing this too?

    takeda,

    Just Chrome in this instance, as it spies for Google. Any anti ad blocking features go though to all chromium based browsers and it is better to switch Firefox. If that browser disappears we won’t have a good alternative anymore.

    kogasa,
    @kogasa@programming.dev avatar

    It is better to switch to Firefox. But chromium forks can generally do whatever they want, it’s just a matter of maintenance burden. e.g. nothing is stopping a Chromium fork like Brave from running a manifest v2 compatible appstore, but it’ll cost money to make, maintain, and operate, plus you have less discoverability as an app developer when using a smaller app store.

    wizardbeard,
    @wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Can we be certain this isn’t in the obsfucated binary blobs provided by Google? How can people act like Chromium and Chrome based browsers are free from Google BS when most of them still use precompiled hunks of executable provided by Google that we can’t see into?

    jollyrogue,

    Do they use the binary blobs? I figured MS, Vivaldi, the random Chromium in the distro repos stripped those out or replaced them with their own secret bins before compilation.

    Imgonnatrythis,

    Lemmy pushes hard for Firefox, but Vivaldi has not implemented this and will likely hold out as long as possible on it.

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Supporting Chromium is to support Google’s control on the web. You choose.

    Ghostalmedia,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Just Chrome

    Stovetop,

    Switching away from Chrome is something that is always worth repeating, but just FYI this happened last September and isn’t “new”. If you’re on Chrome and are only just now realizing this, it’s been your reality for the last 5 months.

    conciselyverbose,

    The scary part is presenting it as a fucking privacy feature with no consequences.

    fine_sandy_bottom,

    Yeah Google has cleverly re-defined privacy as “give all your data to us and we will protect it from prying eyes”.

    People love it though. So private and easy and awesome for scrolling.

    EdibleFriend,
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    WELL I HOPE YOU FUCKS LIKE SOME WEIRD ASS PORN AND SHITPOSTS

    jollyrogue,

    Printing bumper stickers of this now.

    EdibleFriend,
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    Honestly, in general, this could be my new life motto.

    wreckedcarzz,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m on board with this call to action :P

    Bakkoda,

    I’m gonna spin up a Windows VM and see how many porn sites and open chrome sessions i can spawn

    ad_on_is,
    @ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

    don’t need a VM for that… it’s basically my daily challenge 🤪

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