South Korea’s population dips below 50M

Elderly set to exceed 30% by 2034

The population of South Korean nationals residing in the country has dropped below 50 million for the first time in six years, largely due to low birth rates.

Projections suggest that by 2042, this figure may not even reach 47 million.

According to data released by Statistics Korea on April 11, the population of South Korean nationals decreased from 50,021,000 in 2022 to 49,847,000 in 2023. After surpassing the 50 million mark in 2018 with a population of 50,024,000, the figure had remained in the 50 million range for five years before dropping to the 40 million range last year.

sandman,

It’s only the really poor and the really wealthy that have kids these days.

The ruling class is doing a great job snuffing out the middle class.

The future will be the have’s and the have nots, again.

Wanderer,

Wish my country could manage its population like this.

All we get it more people and more expensive housing.

Cyberjin,

there are many factors than just the amount of people. A lot of housing is just empty…

MakePorkGreatAgain,

what’s North Korea’s population numbers these days?

Justas,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

About 26 million.

Ultragigagigantic,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

The 1% can make their own wage slaves

Pretzilla,

Let’s hope they can find a way to smoothly transition to a non-growth economy. The planet needs to downsize and someone needs to show the way.

xmunk,

The biggest problem, imo, is the fucking Chebols. I love my Samsung phone but that company is 22.4% of the South Korean economy, that’s fucking bonkers. The Chebols can dictate economic and social policies and ROK really just needs to break those fuckers up. It’ll be painful, it’ll cause a recession… but much like the famous Prussia quote “Korea is a corporation with a nation.”

SlopppyEngineer,

On the other hand, because they’re so big they could push changes through the government that would normally take a long time in normal political process. Of course, first they must realize there is a problem and admit to themselves fundamental changes are needed that go against traditions.

SeaJ,

Those changes they push through are not likely to be good for workers and the general public. They push them through because they help their own profit. Them being able to do that fast is actually a negative.

xmunk,

This is the classic pro/con argument about authoritarianism. Dictators suck but they’re extremely effective. Democracies move slower but embrace the desires of their citizens [1].

Are the Chebols desires aligned with the needs of the citizens? Well, they effectively run the country now and it’s fucking dystopic so I feel confident saying we should get them out.

  1. Ideally, America is a great example of that going awry because (and I hope you don’t think this is too No True Scotsman-y) it isn’t effectively a democracy.
SlopppyEngineer,

I know it’s pretty close to asking the scorpion to save the frog but they’re halfway down the river by now and we’ll see very soon what their nature is.

In any case, it’ll be a nice model for USA and EU of what their future will look like.

Danquebec,

Dictators are generally terribly ineffective. Read the Dictator’s Handbook.

LeroyJenkins,

I’ve worked extensively in SK marketing and analytics before, and for whatever reason Koreans by and large have accepted chaebols. most do not want them gone.

we used to have a saying at work that SK took all the worst parts of American capitalism and ran with it. the society is heavily encouraged to look up to chaebols as examples of success. Korea’s marketing heavily emphasizes materialism in an on the nose way. societal elitism in Korea is part of their culture and they make it known they’re better than you if they’re in a higher social position than you.

you can see the chaebol dream if you’ve ever consumed any Korean media before. the trope of meeting a random person who ends up being a down to earth chaebol is one of the most typical, overplayed story lines in kdramas ever. and even before that, the trope of running into a random person who ends up being some down to earth prince trying to escape royalty was super common. more people fantasize about that kind of stuff there than despise it.

all this to say the chaebols almost aren’t the problem. they’re practically a symptoms of a society who glamorizes them. it feels like how the US felt about the rich in the early 2000s.

PoliticallyIncorrect,

Feminism it’s hitting hard there, women doesn’t want to have babies anymore.

wahming,

More like capitalism is hitting hard

PoliticallyIncorrect,

Definitely, feminism it’s a consequence of capitalism. Usually they like to be seen as progressive left wingers but nah at the end hypergamy keep rocking.

ABCDE,

Eh?

PoliticallyIncorrect,

???

ABCDE,

Your post was like word soup. What do you mean?

PoliticallyIncorrect,

What I mean about what exactly mate?

ABCDE,

What does your post mean?

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

They said below that they think women only want to date billionaires. Lol.

PoliticallyIncorrect,

I’m not saying they only want to date billionaires, I am saying generally(maybe like 95% of them) there is still a 5% which didn’t.

ABCDE,

Shit, I must be rich then.

wintermute_oregon,

Based on Korean movies. Yes, I’d say more likely that is the cause.

otp,

I think it’s more that anti-feminism is hitting hard, so the women don’t want to have kids with the terrible men

PoliticallyIncorrect,

Women want to have kids with billionaires the problem it’s there isn’t enough billioners to all women.

otp,

Oh, are you an incel? Lol

PoliticallyIncorrect,

IDK what exactly it’s an incel mate. What do you mean?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I would suggest you make no more comments about women in this thread if you wish to remain in this community.

PoliticallyIncorrect,

If you don’t want to hear comments which makes you feel uncomfortable you are free to ban me I don’t have any problem about it. Idk if you are mod or something but I don’t give a flying fuck anyway.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I am a mod, hence the M, and if you violate the community’s rules again, I will indeed ban you. If you don’t care, that’s up to you. If you wish for the rest of your comments to not be deleted, you’ll follow the rules as listed in the sidebar.

PoliticallyIncorrect,

Idk which sidebar are you talking about, but anyway do whatever you want to do mate, sorry to made you feel uncomfortable.

FlyingSquid,
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I’m not sure why you don’t know how to see a community’s sidebar, but here is the rule in question:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7e9561aa-1f02-464b-b4fc-9aab00c24f31.png

Since I assume you will not bother to check the terms of service, I will show those to you as well.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8f510a01-da58-4ccf-930d-ee019534fbee.png

What you said falls under ‘discrimination.’

So unless you don’t care whether or not you’re on Lemmy at all, I would not talk about women that way again.

otp,

I recognize few usernames here. One is that guy’s, and it was the second time I ever considered blocking someone for being aggravating either here or on Reddit, lmao

I also recognize yours, and you’ve usually got great comments/posts. Seems like you’re working hard to make Lemmy lively. Thanks!

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, I appreciate it! And yeah, I have a hard time recognizing usernames too.

Bonehead,

Tell us you've never been in a relationship with a woman without actually telling us you've never been in a relationship with a woman...

PoliticallyIncorrect,

I’m married mate.

Bonehead,

I suppose you're also a billionaire too?

Postmortal_Pop,

Your poor wife…

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll have to let my wife know; she’s consistently made more than me through our relationship. I had her beat for 18 months at one point, I guess she sees my future earning potential 😂

Not everyone looks at relationships as wholly transactional. You get what you look for.

PoliticallyIncorrect,

Take care of her, you got one of the 1%

ABCDE,

I had her beat for 18 months

Fucking hell, mate.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been a house husband twice in our marriage. First when my daughter was born about 14 years ago until she was 3, and again now that she’s in online school and they require a parent to stay home and supervise. And before and after both instances, my wife made more than me.

She’s also much more highly educated than me. She has two masters degrees, I’m a college dropout. I’m pretty sure the only ‘transactional’ thing in our relationship involves things like ‘if you do the dishes, I’ll take out the trash.’

Infiltrated_ad8271,
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They are against things like mandatory military service for men only, women-only universities, women's quotas, and other things that create a noticeable disadvantage in their daily lives, in one of the most ultra-capitalist societies in the world.

You know, against things that are effective gender discrimination and that feminism advocates. But yeah, their reaction and rise can only be explained by them being terrible men, no doubt.

otp,

There are extremists to every issue. Some want women to have to do military service, and some think that a woman’s place is at home raising the children for her husband.

Some of them are going to be terrible, and those are going to be the ones that women don’t want to partner with, let alone raise children with.

Of course, my comment was in the context of the one that has since been deleted where it blamed feminism for making women not want to have kids, lol

I think the biggest factor is actually the work culture, not gender issues.

Valmond,

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