billiam0202, (edited )

The Kremlin warned that American support for Ukraine could turn into a decade-long folly, urging the U.S. to not oppose its invasion of the country as Congress appears set to pass a $60 billion aid package.

Buried lede: Russia thinks its “three-day special military operation to de-nazify remove US biolabs de-NATO Ukraine resurrect the Soviet Union” could take a decade. 😂

Mirshe,

Also, they think they might need a decade to defeat a power that has a fifth of its military size, and which has, so far, roundly managed to make a laughingstock out of much of the Russian military.

NotMyOldRedditName,

Let’s assume Ukraine and all the funding it receives does delay it a decade and Russia eventually wins.

Isn’t that still a resounding success delaying Russia by 10 years and crippling them from the extended war?

It might suck for Ukraine, but from a foreign policy perspective that’s a success

Reddfugee42,

💯💯💯 these fuckers are enlisting prisoners and using 50 year old tanks. Their readiness is supremely fucked RIGHT NOW let alone a year or more from now.

Any victory, if ever, will be phyrric at best.

Omniraptor,

Uhh no it isn’t? What the fuck? The very fact of a war is a foreign policy disaster if you care about the well being of Europe at all. God I hate America sometimes

calcopiritus,

The war is inevitable. America doesn’t decide if Russia invades Ukraine or not. It can only decide if it will help Ukraine or not.

If america helps Ukraine, they will severely cripple Russia, thus making later invasions unlikely.

I america doesn’t help Ukraine, Russia will just get what they want and move on to invade more countries, leading to more wars.

You can’t just give a flower to the invader, say “peace” and suddenly there are no more wars.

Jaysyn,
Jaysyn avatar

Ruzzia knows all about humiliating fiascoes.

remotelove,

Especially in Afghanistan.

frezik,

Just like the British. Also especially like Afghanistan.

Maybe great powers should leave Afghanistan the fuck alone.

remotelove,

I think you are correct.

cyd,

Vietnam is a pretty darn poor example for them to be bringing up. A much poorer country fights for its independence against bigger countries with seemingly insurmountable advantages (first France, and then the USA). And by dint of sheer national sacrifice, sustained over 20+ years of fighting, manages to outlast the enemy. Don’t forget also that the Vietnamese started from a vastly poorer and more backward position compared to the Ukrainians.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

Also, northern Vietnam had support from greater powers in munitions and training (USSR, China). So, indeed, very analogous situation. Also USSR had its own adventure in Afghanistan. With the same analogy where now US supported … aghmm… Talibans and Al-Qaeda .

Zehzin, (edited )
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Hey HEY, it wasn’t Al Qaeda it was the people who turned into Al Qaeda, completely different situation there Mr(s)

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Not just Al Qaeda, but Osama bin Laden in specific got direct aid from the U.S.

Varyk, (edited )

Russian officials publicly assure the world that their invasion will only last 1 week due to their overwhelming military superiority.

109 weeks later without a victory, losing twice as many soldiers and equipment, Russian officials swear that the US, not an active combatant, is going to be so embarrassed.

TankovayaDiviziya,

I was watching an analysis on the 2023 progress of the war. The author said that while he acknowledges that Russia seems to have the favour making the war a stalemate and took more strategic, albeit small, locations than Ukraine did; this leads to Catch-22 for Kremlin that the more Ukraine struggles, the more money Ukraine will receive which is not on Russia’s favour.

Mirshe,

There’s also the fact that Russia never really seemed to account for most of its monetary and material taps getting turned off. When you’re (ALLEGEDLY) throwing conscripts out there without even a single full magazine of ammo, you’re burning through old post-WWII ammo stocks, and constantly having to beg old SSR states “hey can we buy/borrow some of your tanks and APCs please,” it doesn’t look great.

Omniraptor, (edited )

The trouble is, the material taps haven’t turned off they’ve been rerouted. Apparently enforcing sanctions is hard and more importantly also pisses off your donor base consisting of amoral business types. You can find any number of articles of Ukrainian complaining (even years into the war) that they find western electronics in downed Russian missiles.

GreenTacklebox, (edited )

Russia’s right. From us supporting the nazis in Israel and Ukraine and stamping out anti-genocide protests at home nothing good can be in store for the USA in the future. EDIT: It’s sad that the userbase here is just as insane as the world news userbase over on reddit.

mycathas9lives,

It would be nice to see the US launch a full assault on the soviets. FULL ON. I can dream can’t I?

GreenTacklebox,

slow down there hitler

MehBlah,

Russia did so well in Afghanistan after the US supplied the afghans with weapons and training.

skozzii,

P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N.

Churbleyimyam,

Because Russia had so much success against Afghanistan themselves. Pretty sure they’ve had their asses handed to them in the far east as well.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Because Russia had so much success against Afghanistan themselves.

Despite nominally being a staunch supporter of George Bush Jr’s War on Terror, Afghanistan was one place Putin absolutely refused to give support. You can call it cowardice or wisdom or simply being once-bitten-twice-shy, but the Graveyard of Empires isn’t the place you send in troops casually.

Pretty sure they’ve had their asses handed to them in the far east as well.

Do you mean the Russo-Japan War? That was over a century ago.

With the exception of the First Chechen War, The Post-'91 Russian Federation’s record on the battlefield has generally been successful.

Russian military leadership is well-blooded and one of the only institutions that wasn’t gutted by Perestroika. The folks who were laughing up their sleeves at the “Oversized Gas Station” when the Ukraine fight started may have underestimated the monster that was unleashed.

SrTobi,

Ah Afghanistan. Where empires go to die

Hossenfeffer,
@Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk avatar

Russia says US support for Ukraine will end as ‘humiliating fiasco’ like ‘Vietnam and Afghanistan’

Of course that Is what Russia says. They were hardly likely to say ‘That’‘s it, game over for us, we’re withdrawing all our troops now.’

macrocephalic,

The difference is that Vietnam and Afghanistan were civil wars. It’s very difficult to win a war when a sizable portion of the citizens are fighting against you. Ukraine seems to be very united against a common enemy: Russia.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy, (edited )

if anything, even if Russia were to magically take Kyiv tomorrow, they are going to be fighting heavy insurgencies for decades to come. it’ll be the Afghanistan war (the one wot killed the USSR) 2.0 on caffeine.

And they are no where near as economically or militarily strong as they were when the USSR was even at its weakest

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The difference is that Vietnam and Afghanistan were civil wars.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

A civil war that’s been ongoing since 2014.

Ukraine seems to be very united against a common enemy

Western Ukraine, sure. But that’s not where Russia’s military is occupying territory.

Sam_Bass,

He knows all about fiascos in afghanistan

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

Yeah, Afghanistan was pretty embarrasing for the USSR

GreenTacklebox,

The usa getting involved in Afghanistan is nothing to be proud of. Many War crimes have been committed there by us.

lingh0e,

You could say it was their Vietnam.

mechoman444,

I was just about to say Russia fucked up pretty bad in Afghanistan as well.

AMDIsOurLord,

You mean the one where the USA gave a fuckload of material and immaterial aid as much as they could to any radical extremist willing to hold an AK47?

Yeah, I’m going to put the USSR firmly in the “Right side of history” looking back at USA’s shit

It’s a very weird thing for the USA to be proud of

ILikeBoobies,

Wait, so you’re saying Russia is going to lose again?

SomethingBurger,

Don’t feed the .ml.

ILikeBoobies,

Says the hamburger

SomethingBurger,

I’m not literally a hamburger. I’m not even American.

ILikeBoobies,

Hamburgers are German - Hamburg

But it was a joke

TheControlled,

Holy shit. Just wow.

TexMexBazooka,

Yeah Russia just showed up to plant sunflowers and give everyone candy.

GreenTacklebox,

it doesn’t take much effort to see the standard of living before the usa came.

Telodzrum,

Ahh… lemmy.ml users, so predictable, so dumb.

Justas,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

Here’s what stories I remember from USSR-Afghanistan war, told by actual veterans:

They would punish extremist acts by throwing women and children out of a helicopter, Pinochet style. The person who told me that drank ever since he got back from the war and never stopped.

There was one man who left his tent for a midnight leak and came back to his entire tent with their throats slit. Had insane PTSD.

My father-in-law got his legs messed up by machine gun fire, got airlifted to East Germany to get put back together, doesn’t talk much, but still drinks a lot.

bradorsomething,

If Ukraine makes it through 2025, I wonder if they could take 2-3 oblasts in an eventual peace.

anticolonialist,

They are not wrong, in typical US style they will just declare its done and leave Ukraine in enormous debt and left to fend for itself

Kedly,

Thanks for outing yourself!

Anyolduser,

Seriously!

God, the people here are the worst.

Kedly,

The block feature has slowly made my experience here a hell of a lot better. These threads tend to give me new fodder for it

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

Hey, it’s you… from that other thread when you were spewing the same kremlin talking points

anticolonialist,

everything I dont like is Russia

zenitsu,
anticolonialist, (edited )

Mccarthy wants his Russian paranoia tropes back. Does your internalized homophobia come rising to the surface everytime you hear something you dont like?

zenitsu,

Yeah, my homophobia goes full Russian lmao

anticolonialist,

A cocksucking meme is homophobic. This is why shit libs can never be seen as allies, but obstacles to progress of the marginalized.

zenitsu,

Homophobic? Nah, it’s just an accurate description of your vatnik love for ruzzia

anticolonialist,

Yes, homophobic. Where did I defend Russia? Opposing one isn’t support of the opposite. That only exists in the minds of children.

zenitsu,

Yes, homophobic.

You’re the one assuming cocksucking is derogatory.

Where did I defend Russia?

Anyone repeating kremlin talking points like zelensky “doing coke” is just another kremlin gremlin, whether they know it or not. But it’s hilarious to see vatniks pretend to care about homophobia lmao

TexMexBazooka,

I’m convinced there’s a concentrated effort coming from somewhere

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy, (edited )

There’s usually a big spike in “grassroots opposition” to anything supporting ukraine whenever ukraine gets support.

Lemmy was originally created by “communists” who kept getting banned on Reddit). They get a bit riled up whenever something that goes against the interests of their favorite formerly sort of red country happens.

They’re fanatics, zealots. they don’t even need to be paid to shill for these despotic regimes. They do it for free.

They’re just like the far right in the US… useful idiots who huff propaganda

TexMexBazooka,

The comparison of their style of rhetoric to right wingers in the US makes sense. On the surface it’s hard to tell which group is talking

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