douginamug, to random
@douginamug@mastodon.xyz avatar

I actually don't know how to send PGP encrypted emails. Looked at a guide for thunderbird, I do not have enough mental capital for that rn.

A interesting organization asked for emails to be encrypted, and I am not even going to write them 😢

mpjgregoire,
@mpjgregoire@cosocial.ca avatar

@douginamug Once you get it set up, it's not probably not so hard to use. That's what I found using PGP with

I recommend to other members of my family; unlike me, they prefer webmail systems.

extenebris, to emacs

Trying out Gnus is a humbling experience that also provides a perspective on why people might not want to deal with Emacs, preferring alternative editors: it is not immediately obvious that overcoming a steep learning curve would bring benefits compared to an easier solution (like using a different news client). I just want to read my RSS feed, presented in a concise, elegant fashion, I don't want to battle with an UI that might've made sense back in the modem era

eshel, to random

Great !
A wonderful gift arrived in the mail today, thank you @larsmagne23

The back of a t-shirt, green, with a writing that says "no gnus is good news"

mms, to emacs
@mms@emacs.ch avatar

Funny thing: relying on gwene for rss made Gnus faster to use than elfeed.

mms, to usenet
@mms@emacs.ch avatar

ok, since I am still waiting for my Usenet account (via solene), my first attempt at gnus-ing my emacs is via nnhackernews.

Since hackernews is already threaded, it works charmingly well.

Dickmao made a twitter backend for nus, so perhaps I will be able to find an activitypub one? One thing I don't like about Mastodon is the general idea - a flow of posts, all with hidden hierarchy. Having this in a threaded UI would make it a million times better. Maybe one day :)

schaueho, to emacs
@schaueho@functional.cafe avatar

Yesterday, I had to attach quite a couple of pictures in an email in message ( ). UI-wise, this is really terrible, because there seems to be no way to select a couple of files and tell message to just attach them. Instead, for each file, you have to select the attachment type and decide if you want to specify an attachment title. This is no fun for >10 files. Does any emacs aficionado know of a better (easier, quicker) way to do this?
@emacs

mms, to emacs
@mms@emacs.ch avatar

I'm reading https://www.gnus.org/manual/big-gnus.html and why the hell does gnus use it's own config files? Why not standard init.el!?

And what's with that ". That variable is saved in the ‘.newsrc.eld’ file, and shouldn’t be messed with manually—unless you really want to"? What is this? Inttellij?!

#emacs #gnus

mms, to emacs
@mms@emacs.ch avatar

mission for this week: set up inside so I can toy with before it becomes cool again.

louis, to emacs
@louis@emacs.ch avatar

Big thanks to @yeti who catched me posting a test message on a newsgroup using Gnus and helped me setting it up properly. 🎉 I can now read not only newsgroups from two different servers, but also my email (using Fastmail IMAP). I'm still scared about Gnus, but I think it is a worthy goal to come to grips with it. :ox:

e11bits, to emacs
@e11bits@fosstodon.org avatar

I love that the first chapter of the documentation is "Don't Panic". In some regard it is a hitchhiker's guide through the cyberspace. 👽👾

bujiraso, to RSS

Getting back into since it's been too long since I had a preferred client. I'm trying out gnus in right now.

Fittingly, the first RSS feed I've loaded is @daviwil 's System Crafters
https://systemcrafters.net/

Now: to customize to my liking!

dekkzz76,
@dekkzz76@emacs.ch avatar

@bujiraso

gnus is over complex & is a big gatekeeper to increasing emacs usage

trentskunk, to emacs

Hmm, okay, yeah...after much reading (and much more to go), Gnus is pretty crazy... I can even easily use it as an RSS reader that doesn't suck.


hnb, to emacs Japanese
@hnb@giraffe.eepy.cloud avatar

日本語で読めるニュースサイトで、RSSフィードに購読できて、なおかつ全文読めるところってないかな... なさそうだけど...
で読みたい... と棲み分けという意味も兼て...
:Shiropuyo_oO:

amoroso, to usenet
@amoroso@fosstodon.org avatar

I'm happy there's renewed activity around Usenet, such as a new management committee and group maintenance to remove obsolete groups and create new ones.

https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/30/usenet_revival

lispi314,
mms, to usenet Polish
@mms@emacs.ch avatar

So, I'm exploring

  • I use as a client. It's great so far. I pitty the fool who uses web tools for everything, as those remove so much usability.
  • reading old threads is great. So much of modern tools push "new" things
  • I failed to find any active groups. There are posts here (freebsd.annouce) and there (start trek new episode discussion), but when they said usenet is a dessert they may have been right
  • somehow the most recently active group I found was about Trump. I know internet hates him, but really?

So it looks like an exercise in Internet archaeology.

mms, to random Polish
@mms@emacs.ch avatar

So, I tried , as a neckbeard wannabe. After 3 hours I still can't connect to Eternal September nit I can read Hacked News, which is nice.

fritjof, to emacs Danish

Jeg bruger til at skrive tekst i. Drama, artikler osv., og jeg er vild med det. Jeg nyder eww når jeg skal slå noget op på nettet, uden at forlade interfacet helt. Jeg gad virkelig godt lære at bruge Emacs til emails også, men jeg kan ikke greje hvordan jeg får det sat op og får det til at køre. Har forsøgt et par gange med og men jeg ved ikke hvad jeg skal forvente.
Er der mon nogen på der kan hjælpe? Eller som kender til en begynder venlig artikel?

mousebot, to emacs
@mousebot@todon.nl avatar

is there an open server i can set up to get started with gnus? i have never accessed usenet before, but thought to take a look

rml, to emacs

feel like we need email UI that mimics mastodon.el

rml,

@screwtape @mousebot we really need the -oriented eXperience

ksaj, to random

I've been doing my favourite exercise today: diddley squats.

rml,
julioj, to Lisp
dekkzz76,
@dekkzz76@emacs.ch avatar

@julioj

nntp would be good, using as intended

discourse sucks

lemmy or kbin would be better

yugaego, to random

( reader) got an update upstream.
Namely, Eli Zaretskii commited "New Rmail commands for reading mailing-lists".

See it here:
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=71622d70e8bd0f4289df098a8d9b3ab06f4bdcc0

I use Rmail purely as an email client and read mailing lists in now, but that's an interesting addition to take a look at.

dekkzz76,
@dekkzz76@emacs.ch avatar

@yugaego

expanding from a nntp client into being a emailclient really wasn't done well IMO, but it's good to see getting some love

it's simple with its gmail labelling & i've now got search working with the backend

hochata, to random

A while ago I had to use a Windows machine at work, and of course the first thing I did was install on it. Most things worked surprisingly well, but I couldn't get to work. I also tried and , but I also failed to either install them or compile them.

At the end I tried , and everything worked out of the box. I didn't even need to install any GNU utility.

Gnus is not the prettiest, and its terminology and configuration is confusing. But it is incredibly versatile.

It has worked very nicely as an Email email client, specially to manage mailing lists. But now I also use it for things like Reddit and Hackernews.

What are your experiences with Emacs mail clients under Windows? Is anyone using something other than Gnus?

mpjgregoire, to random

It's surprising to me that gained the capacity for threads years ago, but nothing seems to use them. In particular, blocks Emacs for minutes at a time when downloading e-mails...

But the threads do work; the short and simple code at this link puts sending e-mail into a separate thread:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2023-04/msg00163.html

It doesn't work perfectly though. This message has details:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2023-04/msg00195.html

Via https://sachachua.com/blog/2023/04/2023-04-24-emacs-news/

mpjgregoire,

@akater was released with threads in May 2018; I see that dickmao's patch to is from 2019 ( https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=38136 ).

Again, I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, since Emacs has had lots of development in recent years. But it would be nice if the threading capability were used, especially in the only place that lack of threading is noticeable to me.

@dekkzz76

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