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Eceni

@Eceni@mastodon.scot

#Novelist - Boudica: Dreaming and A Treachery of Spies. Shortlisted: #Orange and #Saltire. Winner: #McIlvanney. Co-founder #HWA. Now #Thrutopia writer
#Podcast host - Accidental Gods
#Politics: Green/Red, #Indy #Remain. Total #systemic change
#RegenAg #Smallholder, #Economics, #MMT, Exiled #Scot. #LGBT+ #WoW #PVP Gamer.
Sharing life w wife, spaniel, cats, chickens, ponies… (yearning for a #microdairy)

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andrewstroehlein, to random
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I apply the same blocking rules here as on Twitter...

More: https://www.hrw.org/the-day-in-human-rights/2024/04/18?story=paragraph-8091

Eceni,
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@andrewstroehlein in passing, can I ask what 'Sealioning' is? :)

Eceni, to Podcast
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Pinning by way of an
Nicky Grady Scott, Master , on this week's exploring the ways we can recycle everything from our food preparation. Nothing is waste. Ever

https://accidentalgods.life/composting-our-way-out-of-the-meta-crisis-with-nicky-grady-scott/



Eceni,
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@RealGene cracking - thank you!

Eceni, to Podcast
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In this week's , author Stephen Markley opens the doors to The Deluge, his ground-breaking, world-changing Climate/MetaCrisis thriller

http://accidentalgods.life/writing-the-de

Eceni, to random
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Huge thanks to Sophie Spencer for this enlivening, fun conversation - and a chance to talk about and Any Human Powe

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/any-human-power-with-manda-scott-of-accidental-gods-podcast/id1584740517?i=1000654132773



Eceni, to Podcast
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Pinning by way of an

In this week's , author Stephen Markley opens the doors to The Deluge, his ground-breaking, world-changing Climate/MetaCrisis thriller.

https://accidentalgods.life/writing-the-deluge-dark-nights-apocalypse-and-hope-with-author-stephen-markley/


Eceni, (edited ) to climate
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New book, ready for pre-order

Are you ready to dream deeply and act boldly?'

It's due out in May of next year and you can pre-order it from the publisher here:

https://septemberpublishing.org/product/any-human-power-hb/

https://linktr.ee/anyhumanpower

Enjoy!

Eceni, to books
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Reading this and it's blowing my mind:

https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/civilized-to-death-the-price-of-progress-christopher-ryan/3048411?ean=9781451659115

Eceni, to random
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Really interesting paper on the intersection between capitalism, poverty and the crushing of technological development - and how we get out of it:

https://monthlyreview.org/2023/07/01/capitalism-global-poverty-and-the-case-for-democratic-socialism/

simon_brooke, to Futurology
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Why, @Eceni? Why would an intelligent device have any motivation to reproduce itself? The difference between us an an artificial intelligence is we have instinct and emotion, but not rationality; and it would have rationality, but not instinct (and possibly not emotion). Why would the one instinct an artificial intelligence had be to reproduce? This is utterly impausible.

https://accidentalgods.life/giving-birth-to-an-alien-intelligence-with-daniel-thorson/

Eceni,
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@piglet @simon_brooke

What would stop capitalism deleting itself? It's a pseudo-intelligent super-organism whose only/necessary impulse is to grow and it is destroying people and planet.

And shows no signs of switching off.

so... 'intelligent' doesn't mean that it's got any kind of moral compass. Just that it has the capacity infinitely to grow regardless of the consequences.

simon_brooke, to random
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@Eceni as a self-confessed tech bro, I'm loving the idea of larping in decision making, and I think the proposal is really interesting. But please, what value does add, to offset its disproportionate energy and consequently environmental cost?

Surely, we want to burn less carbon, not more?

https://pca.st/episode/69ae9284-64bd-4599-8da4-1ffa59fcedea

Eceni,
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@adamgreenfield @simon_brooke What’s the cost? Who has to pay it? Where does the money go? What happens if we don’t achieve some kind of trust-based human alignment?
NB. I’m writing this just now so theses re not rhetorical questions!

Eceni,
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@adamgreenfield @simon_brooke

We have general elections. We need to trust the result.

Either we completely change our democratic system (and while I think that is essential, I think we do it through the existing system and with more trust, not less)

OR

We find a way to trust the result.

This is not a category error. To say it is, is just avoiding the problem.

We need ways to trust what happens in our institutions. If you know one, tell me.

Eceni,
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@petealexharris @simon_brooke OK, so we've moved in an arc

We started w @ruthcatlow of Furtherfield who has created an app w quadratic voting on the blockchain - it's gathering her useful data and teaching people about more flexible voting systems they can trust.

I am considering folding something like this into a novel - so it's a fictional version of our world - but I want to explore more flexible voting systems that ppl can trust.

I'm still not clear if there's a problem w blockchain?

Eceni,
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@adamgreenfield @simon_brooke And in the book, I'm building an entire parallel polis because I think the current system is wholly broken. Though there is a faction in the movement that's working inside the system - so we get to see both running together. Or at least, will in book 2. Book 1 just gets us to the night after the General Election. :)

simon_brooke, to random
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My feeling, @Eceni, is that we have to stop burning any fossil hydrocarbon AT ALL this decade, and the trick is to work out how to build the good society with just the materials we already have (and how to make that a vision that a democratic electorate will vote for).

I believe that this is possible. I'm not going to pretend I think it is either easy or likely.

https://pca.st/episode/d0e2ad85-ee50-4b9c-ac63-c05af1f28aec

Eceni,
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@jackdweeb @simon_brooke

It's as likely as we make it be. And if we don't work for it - for sure it won't happen.

But if we work for it, we have no idea what emergent properties may yet arise.

simon_brooke, to random
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@Eceni 'Artificial Intelligence' research used to be my day job, although I'm not really up to speed with current work.

I do believe that Artificial General Intelligence is possible in the very long term; I believe that Alan Turing's paper On Computable Numbers proves this.

But I also believe we're a VERY long way from it, and that will not prove a fruitful line of approach.

Semantic models are necessary!

https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/Turing_Paper_1936.pdf

Eceni,
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@simon_brooke /when that's not what we need to do.

at the point when anything can design and build its own successor then we have entirely lost control.

and my thought experiment is 'what happens then?'

and I don't know

but what I hear is a lot of people extrapolating what they'd like. Which isn't all that useful...

simon_brooke, to random
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@Eceni, you know fine well – because you express it here very clearly – that money is at the core of the problem. And yet you want to create more of it? How can that work?

Also, this is an excellent and inspirational discussion between two very intelligent, well motivated and well intentioned people. But hasn't someone who is just back from nipping down to Tierra del Fuego for the weekend rather disqualified themself from talking about the future?

https://pca.st/episode/65cf5344-8fe7-4c42-938d-aed08ecd46a6?t=3224

Eceni,
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@simon_brooke nobody is disqualified if they're talking sense. And the idea that everyone is personally culpable - while industry just sails on - is a fossil fuel argument.

we want to create different money because the current version is too easy to hijack - there have to be ways of storing, accounting for and exchanging value unless we're going back to living in isolated villages - which is a really hard sell.

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