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DesRoin, to linux German

Seems to work fine with LXQT, couldn't get enlightenment to work, apparently the current version in pkgsrc is rather old as well.
So I'll run this for now and have a second laptop just in case with

netbsd,
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@DesRoin @gyptazy Run xcompmgr?

brokenix, to random
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#doas : multiple security issues
Buffer overflow (privilege escalation to root)
Broken UID parsing falls back to root (CVE-2019-15900)
Incorrect group change behaviour (CVE-2019-15901)
https://github.com/slicer69/doas/pull/23

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@ParadeGrotesque @pkw @screwtape security/priv in base is much more likely.

RL_Dane, to random
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Hey peeps,

What older laptops work best with NetBSD?

I tried Net on my Thinkpad X200 about 18 months ago, and wasn't able to get S3 suspend working (it just rebooted, IIRC).

Is anyone else running NetBSD on a laptop?

Just curious, thinking about trying it out in the future, on something cheap and used. :)

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@RL_Dane x260 with an urtwn

bentsukun, to random
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Internet in Germany:

  • EDGE
  • WhatsApp
  • FritzBox
netbsd,
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@bentsukun EDGE: the DE stands for Deutschland.

SDF, to random
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NetBSD 10 has arrived at SDF for the 7th iteration of our primary fileserver.

#netbsd #bsd #runbsd

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@al1r4d @SDF The same BIOS bootloader is used on 32-bit and 64-bit x86, which is why it just says NetBSD/x86. We usually call the 64-bit variant amd64, since AMD invented it.

The core part of the BIOS bootloader has to be written in 16-bit assembler code, so it's rather irrelevant whether it's running on a 32-bit or 64-bit machine.

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@nirokato @SDF I suspect that I/O operations will be less CPU intensive.

purple, to random
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NetBSD is blessed. also nini fedi

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@purple 💜

drscream, to random
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Are there people around which are living with all defaults? Default WM, Default vim / emacs config, etc? So install an OS & tools without changing anything?

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@drscream Does it still count if I wrote the defaults?

dreid, to random
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Is there any interesting writing on what I conceive of as "the Borland aesthetic" ?

The gray frames. The blue backgrounds. Menu text with the red letter indicating a hot key. Modal dialogs with drop shadows.

According to Wikipedia 2.0 in 1987 was the first blue screen version of Borland Turbo C.

Did Borland originate this?

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@dreid @bitprophet Curses is standardized in the X/Open Portability Guide, but we (and to a lesser extent Solaris) are the only vendors using non-ncurses versions today.

The menu and form libraries come from AT&T, specifically UNIX System V Release 4.2.

However, I doubt the colour specification comes from Unix at all, but rather ANSI and IBM.

jutty, to FreeBSD
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Alas, I have to consider some other hardware that is more BSD friendly than what I currently have for my main laptop. Wifi worked great on NetBSD, whereas it was flaky on FreeBSD, but the audio input was the flaky one.

A ThinkPad, maybe? I'll gladly accept hardware recommendations for BSD-friendly models from at least a decade ago (read: cheap).

Current status: Deciding between Void and Alpine for the next episode of The Main Machine Trials®

#BSD #NetBSD #FreeBSD #hardware #VoidLinux #AlpineLinux

netbsd,
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@greggyb @jutty Sadly most from Lenovo have BIOS whitelists by default, forbidding you from changing the card, though there's the option of getting an X230 with Coreboot pre-installed from various vendors.

I've been using an X260 for the past years, though I use an USB WiFi device (urtwn) or ethernet for reliability.

jspath55, to random
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Let's see. NetBSD 10 implies 10 kernel versions in, um, 30 years almost? Averaging 3 "point" releases per version, that's 1 kernel upgrade per year, max. I'm ignoring NetBSD 0.9 and prior (patchkit 0.2
2) as lesser products.

https://www.netbsd.org/changes/changes-0.9.html

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@jspath55 The major version only started increasing with NetBSD 2, which was more than 10 years after the first release.

netbsd, to random
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New development policy: code generated by a large language model or similar technology (e.g. ChatGPT, GitHub Copilot) is presumed to be tainted (i.e. of unclear copyright, not fitting NetBSD's licensing goals) and cannot be committed to NetBSD.

https://www.NetBSD.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

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@julienbarnoin @andrei This policy is not about about code quality, it's about copyright.

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@BrodieOnLinux The contract developers have historically signed uses the "tainted code" wording.

onepict, (edited ) to random
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Seeing some rather recognisable attitudes in arguments against NetBSDs stance against AI generated code.

How do you know, how would you stop it. You can't stop us.

Like aren't we meant to be better than that?

Disturbingly similar attitude to when we ask folks to not scrape folks posts on the fediverse without asking.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Plus there are some very real licence considerations which will affect copyright (and copyleft).

https://blog.brettsheffield.com/all-your-base-are-belong-to-llm

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@onepict i've probably said this 100+ times now - this policy is for committers (foundation members) only, who've all already signed contracts with a clause about tainted code.

the policy is for base only, which has strict rules about copyright for Reasons™0. We are not opting out of running any third-party code that might have used an auto-completion tool. Since the BSD license requires strict attribution, our code in base can't be used to train LLMs either.

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@onepict Also way too many people confusing "tainted" for "poor quality".

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