@shalien@tfunken There must be no “neutrality” (approval) when it comes to the destruction of democracy, the deportation of non-Aryans, reeducation camps for political opponents or a ban on public-service broadcasting. What do you think will happen when we apply net neutrality to those whose first action in power would be to abolish net neutrality?
I thought we had long since left behind us the stage of “tolerance for intolerance”...
@parkellipsen If you want a totally honest recommendation, try to pick smaller providers and maybe not use what everyone else is using.
Even when we ignore the fact that they are kinda supporting the afd, its overall healthier for the internet and also for the fediverse if services more decentral.
Also, if one provider gets too big its crushing all the other smaller providers.
Its just impossible to match the price Hetzner is offering unless you are damn huge. (Hetzner is running 23 own Datacenters in Europe)
So, if it is in your budget please consider supporting a smaller provider.
Well, enough about that :neocat_laugh_nervous:
Some recommendations I have so far.
Small & Community Providers (Usually more expensive but run by smaller companies or non-profits)
Guess they kinda try to target the market segment of Hetzner.
Servers are okay, network is good support is.. okayish.. They also run something like the Server Börse from Hetzner at: https://servdiscount.com
First Root
Location: Dusseldorf, DE
Products: VPS, Dedicated Server, Colocation
URL: https://www.first-root.com
Nice people, cheap VPS but the support is kinda slow and the hardware is already 2-3 generations old.
They have a lot of regions available, VPS pricing is good but the offered storage options are really tight.
They are using kinda recent EPIC hardware and most locations are 10G or even 40G, so performance is mostly great.
The storage VPS on the other hand are really slow. So don't think about to run a nextcloud or anything on them. Just use them as pure backup storage.
The Support is really nice, but sometimes awfully slow.. Once had a ticket waiting 7 days for a reply...
Contabo
Location: DE, UK, US, SG, JP, AU
Products: VPS, Dedicated Server
URL: https://contabo.com
Often one of the first names you get when asking for cheap servers.
But.. I personally would not recommend them.
Last time I've checked the VPS servers where heavily oversold.
idk, if you have RAM intensive applications which don't really need that much CPU performance they are probably a good pick, but otherwise I would not choose them.
Datalix
Location: Frankfurt, DE
Products: VPS, Dedicated Server
URL: https://datalix.eu
Just recently discovered them, not tested any of their products yet. But they seem to be reasonable priced.
Please don't see this as a endorsement for those providers.
Just a couple of providers I had in mind right now.
Oh noo, the one hosting provider hosting 90% of the fediverse is not cool anymore :neocat_facepalm:
Maybe we should diversify not just social media, but also the infrastructure running it, instead of just hosting everything at the one cheapest provider :neocat_think:
@erincandescent@tfunken Yeah, I'd guess it's like how self-hosting is fun, after all I've been doing that for over 10 years, mostly because it's so much better than the dread of dealing with support (even if in my experience they've been pretty good).
Just feel like it's something I'd do gradually like how you probably shouldn't start self-hosting DNS and email right from the start, but eventually you should give it a try.
@tfunken 877MB here on one router with two uplinks (dualstack) to the same AS and the other one with two dualstack uplinks to the same AS and two additional IPv6 uplinks 1741MB.