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istanbullu, to nottheonion in SWAT Team Raids Innocent Family Over Stolen AirPods Dropped on Their Street

SWAT raid for Airpods seems like a misuse of public money. (among other things)

Anticorp,

Precisely. They probably needed to hit some SWAT quota to get the same SWAT budget next fiscal year.

PunnyName,

The majority of police departments are a misuse of public money. We need actual public safety and welfare.

guacupado,

In Albuquerque 911 will tell you to find a station and put in a claim lol. These guys brought a whole team out.

ogmios,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

The SWAT team was looking for guns and other material related to a carjacking that had occurred that morning.

So it wasn’t for the airpods themselves, but rather airpods being in the stolen car was how they attempted to find the carjackers. While the police definitely screwed up, the article author is going out of their way to create the most rage inducing headline possible.

JoBo,

The author does not write the headlines.

Kusimulkku,

Unfortunate for them that their name is right under the headline. Does the editor write the headline?

JoBo,

The sub-editor writes it.

Zink,

Then what does the dom-editor do all day?

Ragnarok314159,

Makes sure the naughty little subs do their jobs.

givesomefucks,

Eh…

The air pods did lead them to that street, then the cops just apparently picked a random house to raid.

So it’s accurate, but it would have been best to add “following armed carjacking”.

But the real issue is the overuse of raids and judges being way to fucking lenient with warrants.

Both things Biden claims he reigned in two years ago via executive order. I know because whenever I point out how not enough is done about our policing issues, people keep telling me everything is fine and Biden already fixed this and I should stop worrying about it.

Clearly it’s still happening and people are being traumatized. Luckily this time the police didn’t murder anyone at least.

But none of these cops or the judge who signed a bullshit warrant will ever be held accountable.

PriorityMotif,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not accurate, it uses nearby apple devices. If your iPhone picks up the air pods then it will point to an area where your iPhone is located. It can’t pinpoint the exact location. This wasn’t disclosed to the judge when the warrant was applied for. The police omitted critical information because they knew their warrant would be denied. Hopefully, a federal court will make things right, unfortunately, the police will keep their jobs.

Kusimulkku,

Typical clickbait

ShepherdPie,

Clickbait? These people had their home broken into and ransacked by a bunch of goons pointing rifles at them for absolutely no reason other than incompetence. They didn’t even fix the damage they cause as noted at the end of the article.

Kusimulkku,

“Over stolen airpods” lead me to think that there wasn’t any other reason for the SWAT presence than that.

ShepherdPie,

Is it really the article headline that makes you think that or the reputation of policing in America?

Kusimulkku,

Headline made me think it, it does seem to imply that

fubo, to politics in Missouri Bill Makes Teachers Sex Offenders If They Accept Trans Kids' Pronouns

They complain about political correctness, and they go and do shit like this.

CosmicTurtle, (edited )

Political correctness: I can’t say what I want!

Conservatives Later: it’s now illegal for you to say what you want

blanketswithsmallpox,

As is fascist tradition.

UnculturedSwine,

So much for dismantling the nanny state. EAIAC

SpeedLimit55, to thepoliceproblem in SWAT Team Raids Innocent Family Over Stolen AirPods Dropped on Their Street

Stolen airpods? The cops around here would not even look for a stolen car.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

Swat must have gotten new military hardware they wanted to play with.

whostosay,

Likely someone locally influential’s business got hit. They’re not here to protect your car, theyre here to keep the status quo for the rich.

A_Random_Idiot,

Cops have, from their very foundation, been about protecting the money and the people who have it.

just_change_it, (edited )

The article implies the swat team was sent due to an armed carjacking that morning. Someone got a warrant for search and seizure based on geolocation results from the airpods and they assumed the carjackers would be hanging out at this address.

It’s a rental home. Nothing is mentioned about the identity of the owner of the home. After looking up the house on zillow though it’s about 113k. It’s a dead end street surrounded by homes that are valued under 100k. I didn’t realize that federal minimum wage would be enough to pay a mortgage in 2024, but apparently it is possible. This isn’t super relevant other than the fact i’m looking at buying a house near Boston and I did a double take that a home exists in this price range and isn’t in a trailer park. 113k here won’t even buy you a parking spot.

After looking up the address it looks like a group of juveniles were involved with the carjacking so names are impossible to find. The most bizzare thing though is that a couple hours after the carjacking the car was picked up 3.5 miles / an 8 minute drive from the house in wylin court with the suspects bailing from the car and the cops arresting them… I wonder when the swatting happened at 630pm who they thought they would find?

Fun fact, the murder rate in St Louis per capita is the 7th highest in the world, after six cities in Mexico. #1 in the US. 87.83 per 100k. statista.com/…/ranking-of-the-most-dangerous-citi…

I’m not justifying anything. I learned a lot that I never knew about St Louis MO and holy fuck is it rough.

MB420GFY,

downtown st louis is actually pretty nice. i wouldn’t recommend too many places in the south, but st louis seemed kinda nice.

SpeedLimit55,

I didn’t know that about St Louis, I went there for a conference a few years ago and mostly stayed downtown but I drove around a bit one day and it just seemed like an old Southern city. I never felt unsafe but I also lived in an old Southern city with lots of crime for a while so things outside of downtown didn’t seem much different.

There are still many places in the US where you can get a decent house in the lower 100s but they are mostly all rural.

Burn_The_Right, to politics in Missouri Bill Makes Teachers Sex Offenders If They Accept Trans Kids' Pronouns

There is no “good conservative” alive today.

Bonesince1997,

When the flip flopper in chief, Mitt Romney, is your only hope, or anyone named Cheney, we’ve got massive problems.

toastus,

Not that I disagree with you.

But even as a staunch Euro leftist, I think it is okay that there are people I strongly disagree with, even strongly dislike because I think the fight for values that are against my personal morality.

Both Romney and Cheney are such people.
I don’t think they should have political power over other people.

But they share at least a certain common ground with me that the fascists don’t.
And for how little I actually like those people, I still value this very difference.

thesporkeffect,

Maybe some of them need to be less alive

art, to politics in Missouri Bill Makes Teachers Sex Offenders If They Accept Trans Kids' Pronouns
@art@lemmy.world avatar

This is a blatant first amendment violation. Another pro-gamer move from the free speech party.

Steve,

Devils advocate here, in some places, deliberately using the wrong pronouns with the intention to harm someone would be hate speech.

So flip it around, using the preferred pronouns is considered an attack on the child and/or their shitty parents.

jkrtn,

Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment, so flip it around, inclusive speech is also protected by the First Amendment. I’m sure teachers can lose their jobs for hate speech but people cannot be criminally charged for hate speech alone. Prosecuting teachers as sex offenders for using pronouns is a clear and deliberate violation of their Constitutional rights.

Steve,

Are you telling me I couldn’t be prosecuted for hate speech? That cant be true.

CraigeryTheKid,

Also, hate speech is still separate from threatening violence or other harm. I can freely hate you, but I can’t advocate to hurt you.

I think I have that right.

Pips,

Hate crimes and hate speech are two different, but related, things, so I understand your confusion. You cannot be prosecuted for hate speech, because that is a government infringement on your liberties. They can prosecute you if the hate speech intentionally incites violence, because that is not protected speech. The hate speech can also inform intent to turn another crime into a hate crime.

Deello,

Calling someone the N word (hate speech) won’t get you arrested.

Calling someone the N word while you attack them (hate crime) will.

Under this context, yes you would be prosecuted for “hate speech” because the criminal activity here is the speech itself. Under any other circumstances you would be allowed to say whatever you like. There are always consequences to your actions, they’re just not always criminal consequences.

Steve,

Calling someone the nword is almost always going to make them feel unsafe, which makes it an assault, am I right?

urist,

Making someone feel unsafe is not assault. Words can compel people to act but they themselves are responsible for their actions.

That being said, there is a concept of fighting words in the USA. Scroll down to the section titled Post-Chaplinsky, there’s information about the courts’ rulings applying to personal insults.

Honestly I need to take time to read this wikipedia article a little more thoroughly but I’m on my way out the door. I am not a lawyer I just find law interesting.

jkrtn,

Legally, you cannot be criminally charged. They will not protect you from the consequences of your speech coming from private parties, whatever those are. You can increase the number or severity of charges for crimes if they are even partially motivated by prejudice towards specific groups, hate speech may be evidence of that motivation.

en.wikipedia.org/…/Hate_speech_in_the_United_Stat…

art,
@art@lemmy.world avatar

preferred pronouns is considered an attack on the child

If the child doesn’t want to be called that it’s not their preferred pronoun.

Steve,

Call the child what they prefer, and the parents object and claim you are harming them.

elbucho, to politics in Missouri Bill Makes Teachers Sex Offenders If They Accept Trans Kids' Pronouns
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

I really can’t comprehend the level of hate that these motherfuckers must possess to write or support such a bill. I mean, let’s say you’re an incredible asshole who doesn’t think that trans people exist, like you think that you know who they are much better than they actually know themselves. Even with that as a baseline, isn’t it still just the polite thing to treat them with basic respect?

If I found out that someone I just met preferred to use their middle name instead of their first name, I would 100% use that person’s middle name when addressing them. It’s just common courtesy. The same thing goes with a person who’s transitioning - I will use their preferred name, because I’m not a completely deplorable piece of shit.

But this guy is way worse than someone who intentionally antagonizes people by using their disliked name when addressing them. This guy wants to actively punish anybody who has the rock bottom bare minimum of civility by destroying their lives and livelihoods.

I just can’t grasp that level of hatred. How is it that this piece of shit shares enough genes with everybody else that he’s recognized as human?

whostosay,

I think your 3rd paragraph is off, just a heads up

elbucho,
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

How so?

whostosay,

You know what, it took me having to quote your words to read them correctly, my bad and well said.

elbucho, (edited )
@elbucho@lemmy.world avatar

In the immortal words of Romeo: “It’s all gravy”, baby.

Viking_Hippie,

Was that directed at Juliet or Mercutio? I can never remember…

Albbi,

It was just before he drank the poison.

subignition,
@subignition@fedia.io avatar

That must have been some really awful gravy, 😞

Viking_Hippie,

Well the play WAS written by an English man so…

treadful, to nottheonion in SWAT Team Raids Innocent Family Over Stolen AirPods Dropped on Their Street
@treadful@lemmy.zip avatar

He hopes in the course of the lawsuit to better understand how county police decide when to deploy a SWAT team.

“They probably have some kind of analytic multifactor test and they will fight tooth and nail to have that test not be exposed,” Schock says.

There’s no shot the decision to send SWAT is anything other than if they feel like cosplaying that day.

Anticorp,

Right, their analytical multifactor test is “Do I want to? Does my hunch say I should?”.

Jumi,

“Is there a donut shop on the way?”

Ultragigagigantic,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

⁶t

Badeendje, (edited ) to politics in Missouri Bill Makes Teachers Sex Offenders If They Accept Trans Kids' Pronouns

Ah yes, further diluting the term sex offender down to the point the label is meaningless.

Makes perfect sense to combine teachers who accept pronouns, with people caught publicly urinating on the same list with violent rapists and convicted pedophiles… after all, it’s all the same.

Clent,

The right is full of pedophiles and rapists so this works for them.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

Yeah but they are afraid of everything, so they have to make sure they are rapinga child of the sex that won’t get them labeled as gay. Ye ole Republican mantra, rape is okay so long as it’s not gay.

Gabu,

You wish they were this coherent. Just like the homophobic rightwinger scum in Hungary, which was caught in a huge gay orgy, they will gladly posture one thing in public then do another in private.

TheBat, to politics in Missouri Bill Makes Teachers Sex Offenders If They Accept Trans Kids' Pronouns
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

My honest reaction to news coming from USA these days:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/659723ef-500b-48b2-bd66-12d5917486fd.jpeg

Pwnmode,

Ditto. But I’m in the USA myself.

SendMePhotos,

It’s difficult to differentiate between real news and The Onion now days. It’s like… Comical but also terrifying.

shneancy,

someone should really take away The Onion’s script writing rights for our world

Thrashy,
@Thrashy@lemmy.world avatar

The Shrieking White-Hot Sphere of Rage ended up being flabby and orange, but otherwise they were spot-on.

CanadianCorhen, to thepoliceproblem in SWAT Team Raids Innocent Family Over Stolen AirPods Dropped on Their Street

good god, i hope they win the hell out of that SWAT team.

VeryVito,

Swat teams have no business being involved in a property crime case of any sort. Law and order my ass.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the trick, don’t present it as a property crime…

“The SWAT team was looking for guns and other material related to a carjacking that had occurred that morning.”

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH,

SWAT teams shouldn’t exist. Just a bunch of cops cosplaying the military.

mindbleach,

The original premise made sense. It was a specialized response to extreme circumstances, where rando beat cops would’ve been outgunned, and letting them try would endanger more people. The obvious problem has been letting every asshole with a badge cosplay that scenario.

Except when they actually encounter that scenario, like in Uvalde.

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH,

We existed for a long ass time without them, we would be fine if we returned to that. Anytime we give cops more power they use it on the people they most frequently victimize.

Give the money that goes to cops to solve the underlying factors that create of crimes of poverty.

mindbleach,

And no new problems ever happen. Right? No threats in the twentieth century were any different from the blunderbuss-and-bayonet era. Barney Fife was perfectly equipped to handle the Munich Olympics massacre.

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH,

Every town having a SWAT team is a phenomenon that is younger than I am, and I’m not all that old.

I’d posit that whatever SWATs supposed utility is vastly overwhelmed by their negative downsides. SWATing alone outweighs the benefits. That and cops propensity to want to use their shiny weapons whenever they can alone with the cop brain idea that all non cops are potential enemies seems like a shit system that we should be dismantling.

mindbleach,

Yes, hence, “the obvious problem has been letting every asshole with a badge cosplay that scenario.”

The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer. Anything can be abused. We still have problems, and the sane solutions will tend to involve things that can be abused, because anything can be abused.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

Swat teams definitely have their place, but they should be the only cops carrying guns.

Kyrgizion,

They won’t. Police have qualified immunity. At best taxpayers pony up, but even that is unlikely.

Pandantic,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

This is both true and awful - we, the tax payers, just paid an inept SWAT Team to cosplay doing what is essentially a military operation, to the cost of either one completely innocent family getting their house and lives fucked over or all of us paying a bunch of money to fix what they broke.

What a fucking system. St. Louis is dangerous, but not so much that they need to fucking rush in a SWAT Team without good intel. I hope these bastards at least get their toys and privileges taken away… but bringing charges against anyone responsible - I have no hopes that will happen.

Neato, to thepoliceproblem in SWAT Team Raids Innocent Family Over Stolen AirPods Dropped on Their Street
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Judge who signed off on this warrant should be disbarred and charged with unreasonable use of force and liable in the civil suit.

LowtierComputer,

We don’t know what information they were provided.

HubertManne, to nottheonion in YouTubers Test St. Louis Anal Beads Cheating Theory With Butt Plug
HubertManne avatar

I mean no study is really conclusive without reproducibility. I should probably study it as well.

Fuckfuckmyfuckingass,
@Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world avatar

I too will join you in this Quest to further truth and understanding.

HubertManne,
HubertManne avatar

ok but just so you know the average chess game consists of approximately 40 moves, but one game ended in a draw after 269 moves and lasted 20 hours and 15 minutes.

Mirrorgiraffe,

Relevant username

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

A single person is too small a sample size really. I’ll join your study

HubertManne,
HubertManne avatar

oh my.

lobut,

Fine. Fine. You talked me into it.

No, no, I’m already set with the equipment.

Norgur, to nottheonion in SWAT Team Raids Innocent Family Over Stolen AirPods Dropped on Their Street
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

They could just have... You know... Sent someone to have a look around the place. They'd probably just found the AirPods. Or... They could have... You know.... Acted like humans instead of paranoid power tripping psychos and -and I know this sounds crazy, but hear me out - rung the doorbell and asked questions like "have you seen anything?"

Kusimulkku,

The SWAT team was looking for guns and other material related to a carjacking that had occurred that morning.

If they believed guns were possibly involved then it makes more sense to not just knock on the door.

ShepherdPie,

Well there’s that whole pesky 2nd amendment in the US so guns are everywhere. Doesn’t give them an excuse to terrorize an innocent family.

Kusimulkku,

I’m just talking about their justification for SWAT and not knocking. Not trying to say they didn’t do a piss poor job here.

octopus_ink,

If they believed guns were possibly involved then it makes more sense to not just knock on the door.

Probably makes more sense to be sure who you are about to SWAT though. Maybe watch the house awhile from a distance? Scout it out? Otherwise demonstrate that you have a tactic other than not giving a shit about the people you claim to protect?

Kusimulkku,

I agree. I was just talking about the knocking thing.

octopus_ink,

Sorry for coming in hot. 🙂

Kusimulkku,

No worries

Ragnarok314159,

They picked a house close to the AirPod location and raided it. Their actions are ridiculous, there was no good faith taking place here.

A_Random_Idiot, to thepoliceproblem in SWAT Team Raids Innocent Family Over Stolen AirPods Dropped on Their Street

Whoever owned those headphones must have had money to get the police to mobilize a swat team and blast down a fucking door.

AscendantSquid,

Or the SWAT team was bored and looking for an excuse to wreck shit

A_Random_Idiot,

They’d only do that in a poor neighborhood. less outrage from the public and less chance for lawsuits.

Wrench, to nottheonion in SWAT Team Raids Innocent Family Over Stolen AirPods Dropped on Their Street

How is proximity to recovered stolen goods, found in a public area, enough to gain a warrant for a (no knock?) SWAT raid?

You999,

One of two options, a complete failure of understanding on how find your device works and the inaccuracies involved on both the police department and judges side or maliciously misrepresentating the accuracy of the technology by the police department.

PriorityMotif,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

They lied

GiuseppeAndTheYeti,

Not even recovered. Didn’t they find them ditched into the street hours after tearing the house apart?

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