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thingsiplay, to tech in I ditched my Steam Deck 4 months ago -- but I'm going back | Digital Trends
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@AnonymousLlama
The Steam Deck and other handheld PCs also rocks for emulation, not only for light indie games.

Here is a part of the article which bugs me a byte:

By nearly all objective measures, the ROG Ally is better than the Steam Deck. It has solid battery life, a nicer screen, more power, and Windows 11

Having Windows 11 on the device is not an objective measure to be better. If anything, this is a subjective matter. In my opinion Windows is far worse as an operating system for a handheld PC (or any PC at all). Sure you have more games to play with, but the usability and customization sucks, plus Microsoft is spying on you.

FooBarrington,

Seriously - especially since MS will keep trying to extract more money from the OS, which will affect your handheld too. It’s much less likely for Valve to do that kind of stuff (and if they do, the community will create alternatives).

derpo,

Windows is far worse as an operating system for a handheld PC (or any PC at all)

Based and lemmy-pilled

thingsiplay,
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@derpo What do you mean?

derpo,

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  • elouboub,
    elouboub avatar

    Why do I need to login to read a reddit comment (I don't have an account btw)

    Pons_Aelius,

    I hate to link to Reddit

    Then don't do it.

    derpo,

    Okay, I deleted the comment so you don’t have to read it ever again

    donuts,
    donuts avatar

    I like Linux, I don't care for Windows, but none of that changes the fact that Linux is simply better right now for handheld gaming PCs like the Steam Deck.

    Some of that is due to the open nature of the system allowing manufacturers like Valve to have much finer control of the system (see gamescope or Valve's Linux kernel patches for just 2 quick examples). Some of it is due to the work that Valve put in to make the Steam Deck polished, like making sure the thing had proper suspended/resume. And some of that has to do with the existing Linux ecosystem of well-managed repositories, various desktops, Wine, and so on.

    In contrast, Windows has only ever been truly designed for a "desktop" experience and it is neither flexible nor low level enough to allow for the type of tweaks necessary to make a Deck-like experience. Valve could not have made the Deck what it is using Windows as a base.

    derpo,

    You’ll get no argument from me. I love my steam deck, and windows is an awful experience on it compared to SteamOS

    thingsiplay,
    thingsiplay avatar

    @derpo I was referring to the original article that this is subjective and not objective. And I am not just hating here, there are reasons to believe what I wrote. Windows was never designed for handheld PCs, while SteamOS is specifically designed for that purpose. So expressing my opinion does not make me a hater. Although, I do not like Windows, but that is not the point of my message. When you say I am just a hater, then you discount my opinion.

    Ok, it was just a meme. But memes are often used to say something in a funny or sarcastic way. So let's start a war now. ;-) wink, wink

    derpo,

    I’m just here to make low effort comments. Nothing was meant by it, no need to read too deeply, and I never said you were just a hater :)

    TwilightVulpine,

    Even by the standards of Windows, Windows 11 seems to be worse than 10.

    donuts,
    donuts avatar

    The dumbest thing about that statement is that nothing stops them from installing Windows on the Deck. I would never want to, but if someone felt that Windows was truly better for the device they certainly have the option of using it.

    derin, to tech in I ditched my Steam Deck 4 months ago -- but I'm going back | Digital Trends

    The amp link is completely broken and renders incorrectly on my 4k display using Chrome (lol).

    Here’s a non-amp link.

    thingsiplay,
    thingsiplay avatar

    @derin I had the same issue. Some suspicious request was blocked by my security addons and I thought it was just a false alarm. But used the reader mode of Firefox to make it readable: https://i.imgur.com/F4yv5VR.png

    MJBrune, to tech in I ditched my Steam Deck 4 months ago -- but I'm going back | Digital Trends

    Stability is important and the Asus Rog Ally is a response to Steam Deck’s popularity to try to cash in on the concept. So of course the Rog Ally, with an OS that isn’t meant for controller navigation only, and with less time to develop stable drivers, is going to be less stable than a device that has an OS dedicated to it, with an app that’s running specifically developed for almost a decade now for controller navigation. Additionally, Steam included dual trackpads because they knew people would want that precision that we saw in the Steam Controllers.

    Asus has more experience overall with hardware development compared to Steam. Asus has been building mobile computers for decades but Steam has been building random gaming devices for almost a decade now. The PC mobile console was Valve’s original concept but I bet if Asus started on it when Steam did, we’d see Asus on top. As of now, Steam has a fighting chance to keep ahead of Asus.

    conciselyverbose, (edited )

    I hate Windows, but the not having track pads to interact with the OS is worse.

    Edit: (OK, had to install windows to see if Madden is playable. Windows is almost as bad.)

    wolfshadowheart,
    wolfshadowheart avatar

    I don't know what anyone would expect from the company that brings us corporate malware? Seriously the ROG services are ridiculously invasive and difficult to get rid of and have a reputation for a reason.

    All that invasion just for a terrible program that can hardly sync your lights.

    SpaceNoodle, to tech in I ditched my Steam Deck 4 months ago -- but I'm going back | Digital Trends

    I’m still impressed with how Valve knocked it out of the park with their first attempt at the Steam Deck. I really hope that Asus gets their shit together and starts to make the ROG Ally shine, because that will only encourage more competitors, which should push everyone to keep providing good support and develop even better products.

    Potatos_are_not_friends,

    Seriously! My favorite thing about handhelds today (like 3DS and Switch) is that I can put it to sleep and come back and jump right back into a game. Impressed Valve pulled it off. And it’s going to be hard to buy other handhelds without that feature.

    TwilightVulpine,

    As a portable it's their first, but they have been trying different things in hardware with Steam Link, Steam Controller and Valve Index. They've built up some experience.

    SpaceNoodle,

    Nothing else came close to the success of the Steam Deck, though.

    TwilightVulpine,

    Yes, what I was trying to get at is that they learned from failures too. Nobody cared about the Steam Link devices, so they made-up for it with Steam OS and Proton on the Deck.

    runjun,

    You’re forgetting their “failures”. Steam machines, steam link, and the steam controller all received praise to varying degrees but commercially they did awful. All the lessons directly led to the steam deck. That’s also why it feels so complete even though it’s their first release in this space.

    ZMonster, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8
    @ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

    And lineage will support it for the next few-… And they dropped support.

    30p87, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8

    The worst thing IMO is the apparent lack of custom Rom support. The latest to still support it would be the Edge 30. Using an Edge 20, it’s more than enough for me. It took a long time to roll out Android 13, but for that they integrated their (non intrusive and actually useful) apps very well.

    b0uldr,

    In true mediatek fashion

    Melco, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8

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  • b0uldr,

    Grow up bro. You can’t store apps on SD cards anyways, get an external SSD for photos. Headphone jacks usually sounds worse than most external USB dongle DACs anyways.

    unfnknblvbl, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8

    Remember when Google owned Motorola and they released two of the best Android phones that had ever been made (Moto X)?

    Man, that was great. I miss my Moto X 2014. I wish Motorola still made phones that good. I have a G30 spare phone, and it's... well it's a phone.

    Justly0250,
    @Justly0250@lemdro.id avatar

    The Moto X (2014)/(2nd gen) was such an awesome phone with a solid build.

    I bought it in 2015 at a huge discount instead of the One Plus 1. I used it till the end of 2019 until the battery gave in & the USB port became useless.

    Except for the smaller battery size & ok-ish camera, everyone had praises for that phone. My favourite part was it’s shape & software.

    It received the Android 5 & 6 updates even before summer Nexus phones. And the updates were stable. Times were wild back then.

    limerod, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8

    Taking on the pixel 8 without actual software support or hardware features like expandable storage to back them up. Why would you not get the pixel 8, which would get 7 years of support and replacement parts, unlike Motorola. Not wise of the author to make the comparison to the pixel.

    Phen,

    Motorola is available in a lot more markets than the pixel 8.

    Flax_vert, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8

    I had a motorola phone once and it didn’t have a compass. Yes, I mean the type that shows you where North is. It was a Moto G4. A lot of apps just had seizures because what phone lacks a compass

    limerod,

    Curious what apps? Aside from mapping applications. What else do you need a compass for?

    Flax_vert,

    One thing I really missed was Star Chart, an astronomy app. Some games like Pokémon Go and Ingress also needed it.

    wccrawford, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8
    Cheradenine,

    I really wish we had something like u/amputatorbot for Lemmy

    mnmalst,

    I wish lemmy would block amp links flat out.

    Blxter,
    @Blxter@lemmy.zip avatar

    sorry was unaware of what an amp link is till now.

    Stache_,

    Same here, just learning about it now

    mnmalst,

    no problem, you always learn something. :)

    lowleveldata, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8

    Just add back the headphone jack and SD card slot if you want to take on the Pixel

    dingleberry,

    Is there something special about an audio jack that USB-C can’t do? And my past experience with SD cards has been consistently poor; prone to corruption and slow-ass writes.

    doubletwist,

    In addition to what others have mentioned, you also can’t use USBC adapter for the headphones and charge it the same time, without getting another weird, likely flaky, and definitely more bulky adapter.

    lowleveldata,

    Is there something special about an audio jack that USB-C can’t do?

    You can use your headphones without carrying around another adapter.

    And my past experience with SD cards has been consistently poor

    Get better SD cards?

    filcuk,

    Slow writes are generally true, I suspect for similar reasons that most usb sticks suck: trade off between price, capacity, longevity, and thermals. I’ve used a 1TB sd card for years withoutany issues, but now have everything on a NAS instead, so the slot sits unused.

    USB-C audio isn’t simple. Does the phone have built in DAC with usb pass through (most dont or its poor quality), or do you need usb DAC? Also, not all usb DACs will work on every device.

    ayushnix, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8
    @ayushnix@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Sure, yeah, taking on the Pixel without specifying the number of years of OS and feature updates and without GrapheneOS support. Pretty good title for the post

    Toribor,
    @Toribor@corndog.social avatar

    Motorola Releases Phone Around the Same Time As Another Even More Popular Phone

    DooDeeDoo, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8

    How do you compete with the pixel if Google locks you out of features.

    pnutzh4x0r, to android in Motorola just launched a new Android phone to take on the Pixel 8
    @pnutzh4x0r@lemmy.ndlug.org avatar

    No word on how long it will get software support though. With everyone else going to 5 or 7 years of updates, Motorola’s typical 2 year support cycle is a huge negative.

    Frederic,

    Absolutely, I would prefer a 700$ phone with 5-7 years of update vs a 600$ one with 2 years…

    mfat,

    And that’s a shame because their phones are otherwise great. (Or great for the money)

    Polar,

    Lmao 2 years?

    My ex back in like… 2015? Bought a Motorola phone. It PROMISED the next version of Android, aka, 1 singular update. It never got it.

    Everyone was so pissed, Motorola made an announcement that it was going to stick to their word, and then over a year went by and I think they released a beta to a certain country, and then never actually fully released it.

    So they didn’t even give 1 year of updates that they promised on all of the marketing material. Good luck with 2.

    ImmortanStalin,

    Yeah, the Moto E. I remember buying it just for that…

    cheery_coffee,

    I’m having Windows Phone 7 flashbacks.

    RIP HTC Raider, you were a great phone that got shafted hard by Google.

    frostycakes,
    @frostycakes@beehaw.org avatar

    Hell, I dealt with that all the way back in 2010/2011 with the Cliq XT. It was supposed to get Android 1.6, and Moto kept stringing everyone along until after Android 2.0 came out, when they quietly stopped saying an update would come. Worst part is, IIRC the Cliq (same exact phone hardware wise, except with a physical keyboard) received the promised update.

    Ever since then, I’ve sworn off Moto aside from the Z2 Force which I managed to get new for like $250, and even that one became my rooted plaything until the charging port fried itself last year.

    Moto, aside from the brief time they were part of Google, has always been awful about software updates, unfortunately.

    MrGG,

    Haha this happened to me almost verbatim except it was an LG phone.

    Big “we already got their money, fuck 'em” energy. Made me decide to aggressively avoid all LG products going forward.

    Best part was there was a bug in the version of their Android I was stuck with that would cause the phone to randomly shut off if charging overnight. I think I eventually installed a custom ROM which fixed it.

    Polar,

    My LG G3 was my last LG phone. Not to mention how many phone models had boot looping issues because of crappy solder? And they took multiple years to switch to a better solder lol.

    I also installed a custom ROM on mine to make it usable.

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